Posts by ScenicViewer

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You wear tight pants and you will be in trouble

by wannaexit in

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i was reading in another forum, that a letter to the elders instructed them to speak to anybody who persists in wearing tight pants.

if changes don't happen then the instructions are to disqualify him from being a publisher but it won't be announced to the congregation.

i am am curious to see if this letter will surface.

ScenicViewer

BluesBrother:

I should have said my thanks to J W Facts and Wi Fi Bandit for their invaluable work in providing the document. Without that it would just be a rumour.

Amen to that. Now it would be nice to dig out of the literature where it says that public preaching is a necessary activity that can't be taken from someone, even if they are under reproof. Maybe from one of the old Organization books, a Watchtower study, the elders manual, or a BOE letter. Then you would have a side by side comparison where Watchtower is saying it both ways; something the Organization does from time to time on some subjects.

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You wear tight pants and you will be in trouble

by wannaexit in

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friends

i was reading in another forum, that a letter to the elders instructed them to speak to anybody who persists in wearing tight pants.

if changes don't happen then the instructions are to disqualify him from being a publisher but it won't be announced to the congregation.

i am am curious to see if this letter will surface.

ScenicViewer

TheOldHippie:

"to disqualify him from being a publisher"
That was strange. It was always stressed that being a publisher is required, is a right, that as a JW you both have the right to and the obligation to preach. I remember it stated at a JC that we had absolutely no right to deny a person the right to preach. He could be told to better preach in a specific area or to avoid an area because of Things that had happened - but not to stop preaching. The only way to stop a person from preaching is to df him.
If you are disqualified from preaching - you by definition is no JW. Strange.

GrownMidget:

I agree with TheOldHippie.

I agree with TheOldHippie too. I remember a time when Witnesses were barred from field service as part of reproof, but that changed because preaching was viewed as a 'Christian requirement,' and a 'requisite for life,' therefore it was an activity that could not be taken from someone.

I had to do a double take when jwfacts posted the outline where it clearly says "the person no longer qualifies to share in the ministry." This represents another flip-flop back to the old way of doing things.

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Did The Witnesses Predict the United Nations in Advance?

by TD in

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it's been reported on this forum that bethel speakers at this summer's conventions are asserting that the establishment of the united nations in 1945 was predicted in advance by the witnesses.

this is being presented as validation of the claim that the witnesses are god's one true organization directed by holy spirit.. .

the basis for this claim originates with a public address entitled, peace - can it last given by n.h. knorr at the new world theocratic assembly, on september 20 of 1942. .

ScenicViewer

Is it arrogance, or are they just dumb? (Problematic2)

Watchtower seems to have plenty of both, but I think they are more arrogant than anything.

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Did The Witnesses Predict the United Nations in Advance?

by TD in

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it's been reported on this forum that bethel speakers at this summer's conventions are asserting that the establishment of the united nations in 1945 was predicted in advance by the witnesses.

this is being presented as validation of the claim that the witnesses are god's one true organization directed by holy spirit.. .

the basis for this claim originates with a public address entitled, peace - can it last given by n.h. knorr at the new world theocratic assembly, on september 20 of 1942. .

ScenicViewer

... so how is predicting the United Nations in 1942 or 1 in any way prescient ???

Watchtower believes the scarlet-colored wild beast from Revelation is the League of Nations/United Nations. Rev 17:8 describes this beast as existing, then not existing, then existing again. Watchtower interprets this to mean the League of Nations came into existence after WWI, then went out of existence before WWII at some point, then came back as the United Nations after WWII, thus fitting the Revelation description that "the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present."

Based on their understanding of this scripture Watchtower was predicting the return of the League (or pretending to), which became known as the UN, thus they were guided by God's Word and His spirit to accurately make the prediction, or so they claim.

(Rev 17:8): The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world.

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Making fun of an elder, CO or GB'er, would it be considered brazen conduct or some other WT sin?

by oppostate in

would making fun of an elder, co or governing body member, be considered brazen conduct or some other wt sin, like apostasy?

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is it an actionable judicial matter, even?.

ScenicViewer

Problemaddict2: ...it ended with a quick lecture on Jesus words regarding the Pharisees "lording it over the flock" and his ignorance as to what the original language and intend of jesus words were. Then a cherry on top of it really doesn't matter what you think, you don't qualify to be an elder, and are a stain n the congregation. :

Funny, I've been thinking for the last few days how elders can actually be congregation bullies masquerading as loving older men (not all, but some). You summed up what I was thinking pretty well.

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Well, they came again. Really this time an Elder.

by rebelfighter in

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so after the 2 special pioneers visited i thought i had given them an earful about the arc and the pedophile problem in their organization surely they would have put me on the do not call list.. oh, no not my luck i get an elder and his lovely little mute wife with infant child in the stroller this morning at 9 am.

don't these people have a job to go to?

it was a car with 3 men & a woman.. we go through the standard do you read the bible yada yada, i tell them i know the routine very familiar with your game.

ScenicViewer

Rebelfighter, it was a pleasure to read that! I'm impressed at how you can think on your feet and respond quickly!

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Confronting the elders with doubts

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i have already posted how i outed to an elder.... the only results were that another elder mentioned to me: "i heard you have doubts about the truth will you meet with us and clear it up... i also had doubts... i fixed them i can help.

" laughing inwardly i said sure.. oh i'm going to slaughter this moron.

when he asks my doubts i will show him the chromosome #2 video with ken miller.

ScenicViewer

When confronted with questions they can't answer, the elders will likely say something like "We will not debate you on this." I believe the instructions for saying that are in the Elder's Manual.

Then they will divert to asking you loaded questions like "Do you believe this is God's spirit directed organization on earth," or something similar.

When the elder said "will you meet with us and clear it up" the deck was stacked. Personally, if it were me, I might have agreed to meet with him 1 on 1, but no more, and only at my house. It's probably going to be 3 against 1 in the meeting (at least 2 to 1) and they will manipulate it however they need to.

Best of luck with it and let us know how it turns out.

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Loyalty? Today's WT The RC. It's a fix!

by Slidin Fast in

today's wt has the below scripture as it's theme.

friday of the rc has the same as it's theme.

the silver nwt is alone in using the word loyalty in this verse.

ScenicViewer

The attitude of serious Bible translators:

Slidin Fast: Out of 37 translations not one uses the word loyalty .

The attitude of serious Jehovah's Witnesses:

Outlaw: They could put a Picture of this Garden Gnome on the Front of Their Bible..

JWs wouldn`t care..

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A Watchtower double standard: Rejection and the silent treatment.

by ScenicViewer in

a recent watchtower study article shows how bad it is to be rejected over religious beliefs when olga revealed that her husband was not speaking to her because she is a jehovah's witness.. 9 in south america, olga proved loyal to god by showing respect for her husband even under trying circumstances.

for years, he expressed annoyance at her for being one of jehovah’s witnesses.

he abused her emotionally, insulted her, refused to speak to her, and threatened to take the children and leave her.

ScenicViewer

So standing outside of the church during your Father in laws funeral is respectful? Really? Who writes this sh*t?
It's so funny how their experiences all end with a happily ever after theme. Made up stories!

I wondered the same thing. In the caption next to the photo it says,

"One way to prove loyal to Jehovah is by showing respect for an unbelieving mate (see paragraph 9)"

(Paragraph 9 has the Olga story)

Exactly how is refusing to sit with your husband at his father's funeral showing him respect?

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A Watchtower double standard: Rejection and the silent treatment.

by ScenicViewer in

a recent watchtower study article shows how bad it is to be rejected over religious beliefs when olga revealed that her husband was not speaking to her because she is a jehovah's witness.. 9 in south america, olga proved loyal to god by showing respect for her husband even under trying circumstances.

for years, he expressed annoyance at her for being one of jehovah’s witnesses.

he abused her emotionally, insulted her, refused to speak to her, and threatened to take the children and leave her.

ScenicViewer

i like how the photos on another page show the mom taking the boys in sevice while the father goes golfing.

Yes, it's the Feb 2016 study edition, p23, par9.

The story of Olga is in paragraph 9, below the picture of the father going golfing.

Edit: I am referring to the Regular edition, not the Large Print edition. I'm not sure if they match each other page for page, so it might make a difference.