Posts by ScenicViewer

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Biting off more than they can chew - why I think the Society's internet approach is good for us, bad for them...

by cedars in

i've been giving some thought to the society's latest decision to reduce the size of the awake, and relaunch jw.org as a revamped site - intended for bringing in yet more converts.

for those who missed it, here is the relevant part of the leaked letter to elders discussing these changes.... the internet is a technology that jehovahs organization is using to good advantage to spread the good news to all corners of the earth.

consider the impact our web sites are having.

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Pams girl said,

I went searching for an "authentic" Jw forum, and found you lot....

Watchtower has survived until now largely by influencing it's people to be separate, different, from everybody else (no birthdays, no association with anyone not a Witness, look only to the Society's publications for religious information, etc). By isolating people away from others it has been able to control their thinking to a great extent.

But now the Society is going to try to keep it's head above water by jumping into the same pool as it's opposers, such as JWN, JWfacts, Freeminds, and others. This is a dramatic new turn for Watchtower, and I think the results could be disasterous for the Organization.

If the Society had been an early adopter of the internet it might be different, but it seems kind of late now. Opposition sites have developed many thousands of pages in their data bases that will come up in any internet search related to Watchtower, Jehovah, or other key words that Witnesses are sure to use.

Encouraging people to use it's own site will inevitably expose them to the very sites that Watchtower wants them to avoid.

Witness the experience of Pams girl and many others.

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Nathan Knorr's own circuit assembly badge?

by FatFreek 2005 in

for what it's worth, the following image was sent to me in an anonymous email so i can't testify to its authenticity.

she (or he, since it wasn't signed) says he/she was one of the bethel housekeepers and spotted the name tag in a waste basket.

at that time, the early 70's, knorr was regarded by many, including this person, (though disliked by even many bethelites) as god-like.

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Band on the Run asked,

I wonder if ex-Witnesses, scholars, or Witnesses collect. Perhaps all three.

There are a lot of people who collect Watchtower memorabelia; I assume most of them are Witnesses. There are quite a few sellers who regularly list on ebay, as well as websites dedicated to selling Watchtower items. Here is one of those sites; brouse through it and have a look at some of the prices.

http://watchtowerbooksstore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2&zenid=58595140bf9595883d788340da4eb4cf

As George said, that name tag with Knorr's signature would probably get lots of interest.

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Is the WTS and the JW's going to collapse in 2014?

by braincleaned in

jw
friends

two years to go, and an embarrassing whole century will have gone by after 1914 -- the date of armageddon.

in no world is that a "short period of time".... .

let's put things in perspective, since the wts claims to be the channel god has choosen.

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"...I suspect the same thing will happen to Christianity in general, too."

I don't look into other religions much, but from what I've read on this forum Mormons and Scientologists are struggling too, because if the internet.

I wonder about Seventh Day Adventists and larger groups like Baptists and Catholics.

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Is the WTS and the JW's going to collapse in 2014?

by braincleaned in

jw
friends

two years to go, and an embarrassing whole century will have gone by after 1914 -- the date of armageddon.

in no world is that a "short period of time".... .

let's put things in perspective, since the wts claims to be the channel god has choosen.

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"But I have a hunch that there could be a massive exodus from the Organisation. Especially those who know the WT history well..."

The problem is, there aren't very many Witnesses that know the true past of the Organization. Watchtower has been masterful at revising it's history.

I believe this is changing, but not because the 100th anniversary of 1914 in near.

The older generations of Witnesses had no easy access to what the Organization was really teaching prior to 1914, 1925, etc. After each failure there was an exodus of people from the religion, but the Society would later spin that into "Jehovah cleansed his earthly Organization,' resulting in most Witnesses today thinking those who left were 'over-zealous,' or they 'misunderstood' what the Society was teaching, or they were only 'serving for a date,' and needed to be weeded out.

It's changing because the younger generation is tech savvy, and they have easy access to amazing amounts of information via the internet. In spite of strong warnings from the Society not to search for information about Watchtower's past history, many do it, and more will in the future. They are learning the true history of the Organization, as are many of us older ones now, and it will only snow-ball as time passes.

Watchtower is reaching a point where it can no longer cover up it's sins. Will the religion end? They almost never do. Will it eventually decline? Absolutely. It will be interesting to see how much, and how fast. Watchtower's struggle is just beginning.

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Bro. Lett (Governing Body) borrowed illustration from an outspoken WT critic

by fugue in

we're discussing this over on jwr:.

http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12805.

a jdub has posted a video of a talk that stephen lett, a member of the governing body, just gave at a special assembly day in iowa.

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Anezthy said,

The Watchtower has used pictures also. There was an article the I read once where a photograph was lifted from a modeling magazine and the female model was introduced into an Awake or WT as living in paradise.

It's from Page 93 of the book You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, although I can't be sure that it didn't appear in a magazine too.

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Yearbook 2011 bags this Site!!! Internet full of lies....but Faithful slave writters use UNIVERSITY libraries with 5 million books???

by Witness 007 in

yearbook 2011 p.9,10 "the spiritual food like physical food needs to be well prepared....the writting department follows the pattern of "tracing all things with accuracy.

} while the internet is a quick source of information, our researchers don't rely on blogs or poorly documented web entries {you guys} written by unidentified or unqualified persons.

{or everyone on this site!!

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"...one of the large UNIVERSITY Libraries OUR researchers use have 5 million books...

Imagine all the Bethel Writting comitee hanging at University doing research!!!"

I thought the whole idea of becoming an NGO supporter of the United Nations was so they could 'hang out' at the U.N. library. I wonder why they didn't mention that; or have they forsaken it in exchange for the University libraries?

Either way, Watchtower seems to embrace the things it condemns.

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The Shunning - New Movie

by 00DAD in

have any of you seen the recent movie, the shunning?

it was written by beverly lewis and directed by michael landon, jr. .

here's the storyline: .

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Is it on tv ? or the theatres ?

You can watch it for free on YouTube. See lisaBObeesa's post on page 1 of this thread.

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The Shunning - New Movie

by 00DAD in

have any of you seen the recent movie, the shunning?

it was written by beverly lewis and directed by michael landon, jr. .

here's the storyline: .

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Ella Mae is a gem of a human being. This wise older woman would not support hiding the identity of the woman being searched for, as did the rest of the town, nor would she be part of the shunning.

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Guess which one is the fake!

by RayPublisher in

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I doubt that anybody would notice it's a fake unless they had something to compare it to, like the original you posted here. I think it's a pretty good job of PhotoShop work.

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Guess which one is the fake!

by RayPublisher in

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I agree the KM is the fake.

- As thin as those are, it couldn't be held as flat as it is; there would have to be some bending or wrinkling in it.

- The lighting on it is too even, as I Want to Believe pointed out.

Have you been having fun with PhotoShop?