after three years i dusted off my bible put on my sunday suit and walked door-to-door in the glorious morning sun for 90 minutes solid (no breaks--old-school).
' i always felt some subtle compulsion to do this, i don't know why.
it was not for subterfuge or causing trouble.
Someone should start a very loose association where people get together and go door to door creating good will.
Nah. Before long you will have "overseers" and "elders".
Instruction manuals.
Too many meetings.
Did you at least call on the god of randomness and throw dice to see which street you should work on?
don't you hate these misleading headers.
i usually wait a day to see if there are a significant number of posters to the page.. but just look at the number of visitors that click on these kinds of subjects.. it builds up really fast.. i don't mind the time factor (1 milisecond) clicking on a bogus "new-secret-this will bring the org crashing down" type of post, but i have to admit it is very disappointing.. .
My deepest and most sincere apology to any who clicked clicked on this.
There should be a provision for removing this kind of crap.
Now it is part of my "permanent record" - not a good follow up to atonement day.
don't you hate these misleading headers.
i usually wait a day to see if there are a significant number of posters to the page.. but just look at the number of visitors that click on these kinds of subjects.. it builds up really fast.. i don't mind the time factor (1 milisecond) clicking on a bogus "new-secret-this will bring the org crashing down" type of post, but i have to admit it is very disappointing.. .
Don't you hate these misleading headers. I usually wait a day to see if there are a significant number of posters to the page.
But just look at the number of visitors that click on these kinds of subjects.
It builds up really fast.
I don't mind the time factor (1 milisecond) clicking on a bogus "NEW-SECRET-THIS WILL BRING THE ORG CRASHING DOWN" type of post, but I have to admit it is very disappointing.
here is something tha thas just amazed me.
i had two witnesses at the door.
i invited them in for a few minutes because of the cold.
Let me ask the question again with less room for avoidance:
In your lifetime of searching, investigating, considering knowledge have you:
Ever read books on evolution? I don't mean creationist apologetics but actual books explaining evolution by evolutionists.
Ever read information critical of the Bible?
Ever read books on the problems of finding evidence for the "historical jesus"?
If your answer to these questions is Yes and you follow up with some book titles it would make your claim more believable.
Obviously you haven't.
This is my problem with those that focus on JW's being this horrible cult. The real solution is to encourage everyone to widen out their information base. Is it desireable for ANYONE to believe in a lie? Including conventional mainstream religions.
Ray Franz is an example of this. Give him credit for exposing the lies, inconsistencies of the JW's. Unfortunately he remained a firm believer in an unproveable entity and a book that this imaginary entity inspired. Franz used logic. He understood the fallacies yet he stuck with the worlds biggest illusion.
I was raised a JW defending everything JW's believe. I never read a serious book by an evolutionist until I was 30.
here is something tha thas just amazed me.
i had two witnesses at the door.
i invited them in for a few minutes because of the cold.
maccauk11:
I see your statements as criticism because they were critical. The implication is that the witnesses are failing to do something you expect christians to do. That's a criticism. There's nothing wrong with criticism.
But you should be aware that you are guilty of the same things the JW's are. You ignore information that might draw you away from the comfort of your faith.
Your statement "I spent a lifetime of searching , investigating, considering knowledge." is evasive and therefore dishonest. Let me ask the question again with less room for avoidance:
In your lifetime of searching, investigating, considering knowledge have you:
Ever read books on evolution? I don't mean creationist apologetics but actual books explaining evolution by evolutionists.
Ever read information critical of the Bible?
Ever read books on the problems of finding evidence for the "historical jesus"?
You don't have to answer my questions. I'm not out to nail anyone to a tree.
here is something tha thas just amazed me.
i had two witnesses at the door.
i invited them in for a few minutes because of the cold.
maccauk11,
Do you ever read books on evolution?
Do you ever read information critical of the Bible?
Are you afraid of having a Ouija board in your house?
Are you familiar with the problems of finding evidence for the "historical" Jesus?
Tell me that you are disposed to dealing with these issues first before criticizing the reaction of JW's.
inside my head is a tangled ball of wool when it comes to what i believe.
i have days where i believe in a creator and other days when i don't.
then there are times when i refer to this as believing in 'something' but what exactly this something is, i have no idea.
We are ordinary human beings. Ordinary human beings communicate with words. If there is a god who created us with the ability to communicate with words then he has an obligation to speak to us in clear simple language. I'm sorry but Jesus Christ may have the title "the word of God" but he came and went 2000 years ago. To me if there is a god the ball is in his court. Until then you are entitled to pretend you hear some deity speaking to you but don't do anything it says.
for those who like this type of thing:.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/transactional_analysis.
I read all of Berne's books. I especially liked "What do you say after you say Hello".
It helped me see the futility of trying to change people. You have to know the theoretical stuff to make change. At the same time if you know the theoretical basis of TA it no longer is magic. The magic of cure only works if the therapist is viewed as someone who knows the "magic words".
Quick therapy works for a short time. Long term therapy helps the client live through and past their problems.
just got done watching the jones/belfort fight and a few of the fights leading up to the main event.
every time i say i'm not gonna watch this stuff any more, i end up watching some more.
not only watching, but enjoying it.
No it doesn't make you wicked. It just means you are a very ordinary, average, run of the mill human male.
As long as you don't get any serious leadership position little harm is done. Eventually nature will rob you of your testosterone and you will cry when you watch old Tom Hanks-Meg Ryan movies.
OTWO was speaking about a "false" self vs "authentic self". That is a false dichotomy. I say we are always our "selves". Sometimes our "selves" are disoriented due to inaccurate information about the world.
An infant is unsocialized. It is intent that its needs are "miraculousy" taken care of. Socialization is learning that there are other people in this world. Our first disorientation comes from believing that we are totally dependent on these "others" for our needs to be satisfied. Of course an infant can't see the big picture, but as it does see a larger context it comes to understand more about how everything works and what's expected. Maturation requires the organism or "self" to make informed decisions and eventually realizes that its information may need tweaking to conform to reality. So there is never a question about whether a self is authentic or false.
Black and white? You are either dead or alive. Aristotle defined psyche as the capacity to feel, sense, think and act. Each "self" is some hierarchy of these capacities. People are thinkers, doers, feelers and seers in some combination.
I know I am generally open to the possibility that I may be wrong and I have changed my views many times. I rigorously keep challenging my own as well as others views. My toilet reading is usually books on logic and critical thinking. Toilet reading because I can't take more than a page of that at a time.
The heritibility of Openness to change has been demonstrated in quite a bit of research. Do a search on the five factor model and openness to change. You will find evidence there.
I'm glad you asked for a clarification of my statement about getting people to believe lies. I was referring to the fact that organizations that try to get you to join their fraternal state use love/friendship more than argumentation and presentation of proof or evidence to get people to join. So if you are going to coax them away from that state you have to appear more loving than their group. But the problem is that along with the love bomb you are often simply offering them another more conventional and generally accepted lie.
