Posts by moon84

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Anyone here have any experience with the "super-natural"?

by Knowsnothing in

and if so, would that prove an existence of evil-spirits (demons)?.

i have heard of a couple of stories of possession, or of jw's talking to spiritists and the spiritists having seen 2 men following the jw, either dressed all in black, or all in white, and very strong looking.

yet, i have never experienced any of it.. another experience that i heard is about a brother whose mom had super-natural strength, and tossed something really heavy.

moon84

The super natural is a big interest of mine. Often I like to look at it in a scientific way. But this I had to learn to do or I would never lead a normal life. I spent 20 years being afraid of things that I could not see. The first reason for this is because of what we are taught. But secondly I had a lot of weird things happen to me. Even after I left weird things have happened that I just can't explain but I can't give into saying it is demonic activity. I really have no clue because it can be a variety of things. A human can simply be haunted by their own memories, or the brain may be more powerful than we assume, negative/positive energy that comes from the deceased, energy lines, faulty wiring, enviromental features, ghosts, demons, different dimensions, the list just goes on... There is something there and that I can't deny. But I think the JW have a tendency to just name things without further investigation. This is harmful thinking because it does not allow for the truth to ever be discovered.

I had the worst attacks with the super natural when I was living at home with my mom and was still a JW. I would have demonic/violent nightmares. Sometimes after these night mares where I would be attacked by a spirit creature, I would wake up with bruises and cuts. Also I had many cases of being locked in a room somehow, objects flying off the shelf (especially when I was upset), and feelings of someone watching me. Could all that had happened to me be caused by my own demise? I think humans do not realize that our brains are really strong. It is our brains that have changed this Earth. But does it have more power than just a thinking function? Could it do more? These are things we do not know. Maybe those attacks in my dream was my own spirit trying to convince me that I was in danger. Maybe it would not allow me to have peace until I decided to leave what was hurting me. After I left the truth almost all of it went away. The only time the nightmares come back is if something is wrong in my life that I refuse to acknowledge and leave. Once I leave the abuse everything goes back to being the same. No more nightmares. I have had no flying objects in the house, no getting locked into rooms like I did, and no more physical bruises from my nightmares. The only thing I experience now is knowing more than I should. That scares me a bit because too many things I have known or seen and only to find out it came true a day or so later.

We may never find out the truth of it all but I know that if some of us are really open to the subject we may have an idea someday of what all this super natural stuff is all about.

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I just got my memorial invite

by twinkle toes in

well technically it is an anniversary invite/special talk invite.

the car group was just here.

i was home but hiding and my husband got the door.. i want to tell them exactly why i am not going , but i haven't got my head quite there yet.. i think i am gonna have to just decline!.

moon84

My Aunt called me the other day but I have not called her back yet since she left a message. I'm sure when I call her back she will be asking, "Sylla are you going to the memorial?" I usually come up with an excuse like I have to work or something. My mom and the rest of my siblings gave up on me a long time ago. They know to not even bother because I will just disappoint them with my answer. As with my father he passed away 4 years back but even then he finally stopped because I told him I would never go back to that place and those people and that I am too smart to be told how to think. So he was wasting his breath in trying and that he should be used to the fact that when Armaggedom comes I will be wiped out. Even though I do not believe in that so called fate for this world. I told my mom the same thing as well and I guess it passed through out most of the family. I've said the same to my Aunt but she just refuses to believe it. She says I am a good girl that fell of the right track . One day she hopes I will marry a good man in the "truth" instead of wasting my time on pagan men like I do. I wonder what she thought of my disfellowshipped ex-boyfriend!?

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Test Yourself. How much are you a JW ....

by sleepingbeauty in

are you a jw or if you were one do you still have any jw traits left?

take this quiz to see... .

http://www.thebentinel.com/jw-quiz.php.

moon84

Here are my results to that test:

1.	Neo-Pagan (100%)
2.	New Age (97%)
3.	Unitarian Universalism (96%)
4.	Mahayana Buddhism (94%)
5.	Theravada Buddhism (91%)
6.	Liberal Quakers (81%)
7.	Secular Humanism (74%)
8.	Taoism (74%)
9.	Hinduism (73%)
10.	Jainism (71%)
11.	New Thought (70%)
12.	Scientology (68%)
13.	Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (63%)
14.	Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (58%)
15.	Sikhism (57%)
16.	Orthodox Quaker (53%)
17.	Reform Judaism (51%)
18.	Nontheist (47%)
19.	Baha'i Faith (42%)
20.	Orthodox Judaism (30%)
21.	Seventh Day Adventist (24%)
22.	Islam (20%)
23.	Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (20%)
24.	Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (19%)
25.	Eastern Orthodox (12%)
26.	Roman Catholic (12%)
27.	Jehovah's Witness (10%)

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Test Yourself. How much are you a JW ....

by sleepingbeauty in

are you a jw or if you were one do you still have any jw traits left?

take this quiz to see... .

http://www.thebentinel.com/jw-quiz.php.

moon84

I received 10%. I am classified as a rebel. Love it!

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What drove you? Love or Fear?

by fade_away in

this has probably been discussed here before, but i'm new so sue me.. i think the religion of jehovah's witnesses has been an amazing but tragic social experiment proving that the mind is most vulnerable to brainwashing when it's in an unhealthy state.

it seems to attract the bipolar, schizophrenic, depressive, and the paranoid.

it preys on negative emotions like sorrow and fear.

moon84

Fear drove me to serve. I knew if I did not comply with my mom I would be beaten, have my hair grabbed, and forced into a dress. There was no point in arguing but when I was sick I would argue and that is when I would get beaten into going.

When I think about what drove my family into this way of life is my grandma suffers clinincal depression, my mom stayed because she can't think for herself and needs someone to tell her the next step (also lives off of making everyone happy but herself), and my dad grew up poor and abused and learned that he could not trust so he was paranoid. They already had disorders of some sort and the children that came out of this whole lifestyle became dysfunctional from years decades of JW teaching. So I believe my family stuck to this due to fear, lack of education, and some source of hope.

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What Birth Sign Were You Born Under ?

by flipper in

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friends

didn't know if this has been addressed before , but it's kinda interesting.

when we were witnesses we were always told,oh!

don't look at horoscopes or read anything about your sign because it's demonized !

moon84

I am a Cancer and I am with a Taurus :) Works out well for us. When I am down he is there to lift me up and pull me out of the deep end of the water.

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Who is your favorite Greek/Roman god or goddess and why?

by poopsiecakes in

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friends

i'm partial to aphrodite and bacchus - who seem to go hand in hand rather well.... .

.

moon84

I always liked Athena. I loved that she was a woman with wisdom. Another of my favorites are Artemis (being a Cancer makes me appreciate the moon more lol!). I always liked the stronger female characters of Greek mythology. But over time I grew to like other mythology such as Egyptian and Celtic mythology as well :)

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Being Under Cult Mind Control is a Psychological Disorder - Steve Hassan

by flipper in

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friends

thought perhaps some newer members who haven't heard some of hassan's thoughts on mind control might relate to this from their own experiences in jehovah's witnesses .

even though mind control is initiated by the cult involved in controlling it's members - hassan points out - it actually becomes a psychological disorder which can entrap the victim himself or herself - all the while - as they are being controlled by the leaders of cults.. on page 55 of hassan's book " releasing the bonds - empowering people to think for themselves " it states what happens in a destructive cult , " in a destructive cult, the locus of control shifts to the group or it's leader .

the new recruit abdicates his ability to make decisions.

moon84

Mad Sweeny- Good point! They usually make it very clear that they can not make a decision on their own. This is a problem I face with my family all the time and I should ask them why they could not decide this for themselves? Why does someone have to make the decision for them? I think many of us that fall out of the JW organization realize that we can make wise decisions on our own. And any decisions we do make we are willing to take responsibilty for.

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Being Under Cult Mind Control is a Psychological Disorder - Steve Hassan

by flipper in

jw
friends

thought perhaps some newer members who haven't heard some of hassan's thoughts on mind control might relate to this from their own experiences in jehovah's witnesses .

even though mind control is initiated by the cult involved in controlling it's members - hassan points out - it actually becomes a psychological disorder which can entrap the victim himself or herself - all the while - as they are being controlled by the leaders of cults.. on page 55 of hassan's book " releasing the bonds - empowering people to think for themselves " it states what happens in a destructive cult , " in a destructive cult, the locus of control shifts to the group or it's leader .

the new recruit abdicates his ability to make decisions.

moon84

WOBBLE- I agree with you as well that we have to use to word "cult" sparingly. If I told my mom that I thought she brought us up in a cult I would most likely be removed from the family unit. Telling them that we think it is a cult will only anger them more and push them further away from realizing the truth. I kind of like to look at it like telling an alcoholic that they are one and they end up refusing that term. We can't tell them that because that is something they need to see for themselves. They need to be ones to seek out the truth for themselves and to learn that they do in fact have control of their lives but until then saying any of this to them is like beating your head into a wall.

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Being Under Cult Mind Control is a Psychological Disorder - Steve Hassan

by flipper in

jw
friends

thought perhaps some newer members who haven't heard some of hassan's thoughts on mind control might relate to this from their own experiences in jehovah's witnesses .

even though mind control is initiated by the cult involved in controlling it's members - hassan points out - it actually becomes a psychological disorder which can entrap the victim himself or herself - all the while - as they are being controlled by the leaders of cults.. on page 55 of hassan's book " releasing the bonds - empowering people to think for themselves " it states what happens in a destructive cult , " in a destructive cult, the locus of control shifts to the group or it's leader .

the new recruit abdicates his ability to make decisions.

moon84

I know this subject was posted over a year ago but this is the reason I found this forum. I had been looking at personality disorders caused from cult/religion and it brought me here. The book being discussed seems really fascinating to read and I will have to try and get my hands on it. I came to the realization 2 nights ago that I am suffering from borderline/dissassoiative disorder due to growing up as a JW. I never wanted to admit to have having some sort of personality disorder but all the proof is there.

I study Psychology as my major and I just recently received an Associates degree in Psychology. While studying the subject a person can not help but sit there and evaluate themselves. I have been taking math for the last 6 months so I have not been able to concentrate on further figuring out my condition. But in those 6 months I have seen myself flip off the handle and just go postal at times. I've seen my mood change rapidly, becoming disconnected, extreme depression, and other various symptoms.

They say that this condition comes out more after losing a parent and that I did. My father passed away 4 years ago when I was 22. He suffered a massive stroke and was on life support for a day when my brother and I had to make the decision of having him taken off. I remember the coldness from the brothers and my own brother and his wife.

I have been out of the "truth" since I was 17 years old. I never was baptized because I knew I wanted out since I was 5 years old. They had no reason to treat me so coldly. But they didn't even acknowledge me at the hospital and the only reason my brother hugged me is because I hugged him. Just imagine standing there in the hospital with your dying father in front of you, having to make that choice to end his life, and not a single person there to comfort you, not even your own family. All I got was coldness and grief from everyone.

Ever since my father's death I have noticed a long nagging depression that has lasted for long periods of time. Also I have recalled forgotten memories, extreme nightmares, and really extreme mood shifts. But the one thing I have realized out of all of this is that I don't ever recall being happy or feeling loved and accepted. I don't know if I feel it more than others because of my loner personality which was my way of escaping the JW reality I grew up in or if it is common among many that grew up that way. All I know is something is wrong because my interpersonal relationships are stormy and making friends is a very difficult process for me.

So I want to know how some of you members have dealt with some of these issues or if they feel they have the disorder as well, and if so how they have dealt with it? I really look forward to getting to know everyone!