I reckon the Prince thing is a scam. The WTS have paid him, its all a publicity stunt to get more members.
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Dreams: Portals to the Afterlife?
by Mulan innow this is a neat subject!!
i am a genealogy freak, and have researched my family back to the middle ages and beyond, on both sides.
i so much want to know about them, and what they looked like, and how they lived, that i have dreamed it.
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After leaving the "mothership"
Hmmm... I think you should introduce yourself on the contact = suicide thread.
Welcome to earth
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Fornication......*blushing*
by d0rkyd00d inas many may know, i'm still a teenager.
i'm not willing to reveal my age, which is one less than 17 or one more than 15. but i just wanted to get your guys' opinion on sex before marriage.
a lot of people here have kinda lost their "watchtower" and biblical standards as i have gathered.
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Babies, nappies, no sleep, no money... ah... sounds like heaven.
If you think you are ready to have children, then shag away at your own leisure, if not, use a condom. (or get her to use something)
and remember Ecclesiastes (not while you are shagging, but if that turns you on, what the heck) Ecclesiastes 11:9Thats if you cant be bothered to wait until marriage.
The oldies do have the right idea, fist comes love, then comes marriage, then comes daddy with a baby carriage
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Contact Equals Suicide?
by patio34 indidn't find an appropriate forum for this unique perspective:.
'our planet spends billions on searching for extraterrestrial life.
have they never thought seriously about the question: what would happen if we found it, or if it found us.
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Dave, you have some good points.
Notice though, that the technology has advanced exponentially? Took thousands of years to get electricity the way it is now, then advancements just got bigger and better (or worse depending on how you look at it) faster and faster . We may not be as far behind as we think.
Then theres the technology us civilians have NO idea about, the technology the powers that be are developing behind closed doors.
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From Simony to Paedophilia
by Stephanus ini remember a few years ago a watchtower article on simony, the buying or selling of privileges in a church setting.
the wording struck me at the time.
there was one of those "true christians should" statements that proliferate in the wt: something along the lines of "true christians should not be giving money in exchange for positions within congregations" or some such (i may have to dig through my old issues of the 'tower to find it).
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Do they HAVE to call it Simony?
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June 7...How will you vote?
by digderidoo ingeneral election...june 7....uk.
how will you vote?.....now that we are allowed to vote it would be interesting to see what political persuasions we have.. for me it is important to vote.
for years i have been told that i cannot voice my opinion....however to vote for me is one of our fundamental human rights.
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I vote for Homer Simpson
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What about the scriptural obligation to preach?
by lookingnow22 ini've always been taught that each disciple of christ has a scriptural obligation to preach, and to do so in imitation of jesus and his disciples.
they did this by house to house, in synagogues, and in the marketplaces.
this is one thing that has always kept me close to jehovah's witnesses.
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JW's have long taught that one of the identifying marks of true worship is the proclaiming of the kingdom message by door to door witnessing. This makes them different from all other religions, and is something they are famous for.
The WTS call this a PRINCIPAL ACTIVITY. They use scriptures such as Acts 20:20 and Acts 5:42 to back this up.
Acts 5:42 And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus"
Acts 20:20: "While I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from telling you publicly and from house to house"
The Greek expression kat oikous literally means "according to houses" and not house-to-house. The American Standard Version of the scriptures renders Acts 5:42 "And every day, in the temple and at home they ceased not to teach and to preach Jesus as the Christ"
Ths scripture shows that the apostles taught, not only in the temple, but also in private homes where small groups could congregate.
The private home was the home base or central location of where 1st century Christians has their meetings. They always met in private chambers, upper rooms etc (Luke 22:8-13; Acts 1:13-15). Group meetings for Christians could also be arranged in public facilities such as schools, auditoriums (Acts 19:9,10)
The fact Paul said in Acts 20:20 'I have taught you publicly AND from house-to-house' shows there were two different ministries. One public, that is among the people in marketplaces, the temple, and other places people congregated, and one was private, in the homes of the friends where personal attention could be given. If this greek expression (kat oikous) was taken the way the WTS says, then the 'house-to-house' ministry would ALSO be PUBLIC. There would have been no need for Paul to say "Publicly" and "house to house", since both would have been public.
Quite simply, this ministry was one that Paul conducted in "private homes". Simple! Think about it.
Acts 2:46 "and day after day they were in constant attendance at the temple with one accord, and they took their meals in private homes* and partook of food with great rejoicing and sincerity of heart"
* Greek kat oikouNWT Reference Bible footnote says, this can also be rendered "house-to-house"
What modern translator would render the above as "house-to-house", as does the KJV? It just doesnt make sense. They wouldnt be going around from house-to-house to get their meals, surely not!
The greek rendering for kat oikous should be the same in all three verses.
The WTS chose to use the correct and most reasonable rendering of this Greek expression in Acts 2:46 of the NWT, they DID NOT however, choose to render it the same way in Acts 5:42 or Acts 20:20. WHY? Simple... their doctrine of preaching from house-to-house would not stand! People would see the scriptures they use to back this up actually refer to personal instruction being done in private homes!
But, what about Matthew 10:12,13 and Luke 15:5,6?
Did Jesus not specificially outline the procedure in engaging house-to-house ministry? Was he not establishing the rules of conduct when one recieves a negative response in his door-to-door service? The answer is NO!
Verse 11 of Matthew chapter 10:
"Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and STAY THERE until you leave"Now if we took this scripture literally as specific instructions pertaining to the door-to-door ministry, that would mean that when the disciples found ONLY ONE 'deserving person' in their so-called house-to-house ministry, they would CEASE in this work since they were told to "stay there until you leave". How ridiculous! See also Luke 9:4
Luke 10:7 reads: "So stay in that house, eating and drinking the thing they provide, for the worker is worthy of his wages. DO NOT BE TRANSFERRING FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE"
The thought being, not to search out throughout the village or city fir the best possible accomodations, just accept whatever Jehovah provides. This makes more sense does it not?
Obviously, Jesus was giving them instructions in establishing a HOME BASE for launching their ministry in that particular town. This would thus provide them with a place to confidentially give personal instruction to those who would listen - yes in the privacy and relaxed atmosphere of a home belonging to a "friend of peace" (Luke 10:6). However, if by chance in "searching out" the town or village, they encountered an unappreciative person, or even an inhospitable village or city, Jesus said to "shake the dust off your feet for a witness against them" - Luke 9:5; 10:8-13
Therefore this particular form of proselytizing does not serve in any way, shape or form as being a distinctive, identifying mark of true religion today. Regretably, it only serves to highlight the weighty burden placed upon the enslaved JW's to a lifetime career of book and magazine selling and for the sole enrichment of the WTS. - Matthew 23:4, Ezekiel 34:27; 2 Corinthians 2:17
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=2384&site=3
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WHY APOSTATES THEMSELVES ARE DOOMED!!!
by You Know inall mankind stands condemned before god, and yet some are more reprehensible than others are.
as an example, christ called the original christian apostate, judas, the son of destruction.
so too, and not surprisingly, the activities of modern day apostates are said to awaken the judgment from of old, so that "the destruction of them is not slumbering.
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Also You Know, how do politics fulfill Revelation 13? Come on, explain it to me, because the WTS version does not make sense.
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WHY APOSTATES THEMSELVES ARE DOOMED!!!
by You Know inall mankind stands condemned before god, and yet some are more reprehensible than others are.
as an example, christ called the original christian apostate, judas, the son of destruction.
so too, and not surprisingly, the activities of modern day apostates are said to awaken the judgment from of old, so that "the destruction of them is not slumbering.
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You Know,
I cannot believe you justify and cover up the WTS evil and even think they will change.
FAT CHANCE!
The Bible shows they do not change, if they did, then the prophecies would indicate it.
You are wasting your time polishing the brass on the sinking ship.
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"Apostate!"
by Dogpatch inone twit wrote:.
your apostate propaganda is the sorriest trash i've ever read in my entire life,.
let me guess, you were once stumbled by an imperfect person in the orginization right?
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You cant totally blame that person though, after all, he is a JW