Posts by lauralisa

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Where else is there to go? Help!

by ISP in

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....is there any other db?

actually thats not what its about.. i felt like saying....nowhere because its all garbage but for people who want to believe in something that would not do.

anyone got any neat answers for this kinda thing?.

lauralisa

Englishman, you nailed that one:

It's THE JOURNEY that counts!!!

At one point when I was still active I allowed myself to realize that virtually EVERY SINGLE person in the "truth" that I'd EVER known was waiting to die.

Their lives - their day-to-day everyday stuff - consisted of enduring. Most of their suffering could have been instantly ameliorated or prevented if they'd actually tried to seek relief; unfortunately, they wouldn't even consider such a thing because it would have broken some talmudic edict or tradition among other jw's.

Also, it seemed to me that if someone was actually happy or successfully enjoying their careers, marriages, health... or were engaging in things to grow mentally, physically or intellectually, WELL! What about putting the 'kingdom first'? HAPPY people were SUSPECT. "This" life is SUPPOSED to be horrible. Martyrs were ADMIRED.

I was asked by an elder this same question when I expressed doubts about the organization - 'where else is there to go...?' I said I did not know, but I knew ENOUGH to know that something is NOT RIGHT about those guys in New York and if there WAS a TRUE way to worship, I would look for it elsewhere. The quality of my life in every respect immedately improved to such a degree that I'm still astonished.

Marilyn, your points are SO right on...

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Naughty words I said to my female client yesterday

by SixofNine in

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"did you have a nice fourth?

"

lauralisa

Hi Six,

Did you ask her how her sixth was, too?

52

to us...

by teejay in

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very few people in life will ever understand the struggle that we have endured, conquered, and go on conquering.. i've spent long hours, choosing my words carefully, and my intelligent wife, i feel, still has no clue.. we're still here.

living.

moving.

lauralisa

Teejay,

Happily I raise my glass and say "here's to you, and all of us, too."

I could never get a sound explanation for the 'toasting' -ban. Finally someone said,

"well, it's to protect us against ever accidentally agreeing to things like 'here's to England' or 'God save the Queen'"

Kinda sounded to me at the time like the Talmudic-like way of not breaking the first commandment by simply making it verboten to ever utter the name of God, but being the nodding-head compliant one I was, I just said "oh... okay"

Wih-all a thaah, CLINK

lauralisa

PS are you still pissed off at moi?

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Heat Advisory: Philadelphia Assembly Next Weekend

by Room 215 in

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calling all dubbies in the middle atlantic states unlucky enough to have been assigned to the annual sauna in philly july 11-13.. as the u.s, northeast bakes in sweltering heat and debilitating humidity, what greater first-hand evidence can you find of bethel's callous indifference to your well-being than their persistence in scheduling these pointless hum-drum events in such a notorious blast-furnace environment as vets stadium, when just across the street, at the spectrum, and in countless other venues, air-conditioned auditoriums are readily available to them?

repeated, public warnings in the media of the health hazard to the very young and elderly posed by such conditions fall on deaf ears in brooklyn.

cancel?

lauralisa

I can't believe they're still forcing people to endure this hideous arena...

The last time I was there, I was "counseled" for pouring ice-water over myself. I admit it. I DID pour ice water over myself. I purposely wore clothing that would not become transparent when wet, because I had EVERY INTENTION of pouring ice water all over myself, all day, every day.

The only way I could have survived sitting there in a blast furnace was by pouring ice water all over myself. I poured it all over people all around me, too. They were VERY appreciative, I must say. In fact, I was the "ICE WATER GODDESS" for three days. It was hard work, maintaining a steady supply of ice water. It was my contribution to the poor humanity with whom I shared deplorable, sickening, and ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY AND AVOIDABLE inhumane treatment.

The girls walking around on the upper deck of the Veteran's Stadium who were wearing practically zip in terms of clothes were fine... but me, in my ice water soaked clothing, got pulled aside and counseled by some little DIPWAD freak and his father. I actually LAUGHED at him.

I'm still laughing (not really)

Convention free now, and amazed that people actually still submit to such egregious abuse,

lauralisa

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Why do some believe in alien conspiracies?

by Seeker in

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i've been thinking why a few here buy into things such as the illuminati conspiracies, or secret alien takeovers of our society, the masons taking over the world, and other far-fetched ideas.

i'm sure there are an abundant number of reasons for this, some of which apply to people in general.

but i think there are factors that are unique to those who have left high-control groups such as the wts.

lauralisa

sKally, my very essential friend,

I thank you for asking, and I must say that at the present time,

I am rocking in the free world

And am at this precise moment feeling quite 'reconciled'. That feels so great.

YOU are a part of how I got there and YOU will always have my support. YOU rock.

laura

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I'm With TR!

by LDH in

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i have really enjoyed getting to know so many of you.

don't consider this a permanent goodbye, as i'll most likely stop back every now and again to see how you are faring.

and to keep you updated with me and the family deal.. the reality is, this board was great for me while i was pregnant, i was so sick.

lauralisa

Lisa,

No, you are NOT with TR. You are NOT leaving. That is the end of the discussion.

I mean it.

Fuck..... ok.. I understand the call of family needs, especially when one member is almost-walking and is pulling everything down from every shelf and table that their little hands can reach, and they somehow pull the phone down and punch in 9-1-1- by sheer coincidence, as well as some international calls to Asia, also by coincidence, and then they throw your entire box of tampons into the toilet, which gets all clogged up, of course. And then they put a grilled cheese sandwich into the VCR, and pour apple juice down the back of the TV because it's "hot" and they are just trying to help, and they pour your incredibly expensive bottle of perfume into the fish tank because it smells "funny", and then they....

Ok, you can have a break for awhile, but I don't know if I could endure my pathetic life without your posts....

Whaaahhhhhing here, laura

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My surreal district convention

by RunningMan in

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well, i just got back from yet another summer ass-marathon.

seventeen hours of sitting in hockey arena seats that were made for three hour games, trying to stay awake, while not losing contact with my extremities.. needless to say, the program was dull and boring.

in fact, i'm not completely sure that they didnt just re-run last year's.

lauralisa

Running man,

If I could have been sitting next to someone like YOU at those dreaded conventions, I think I would have actually ENJOYED myself ......

LMAO, and never eating a jehoagie again, ever

lauralisa

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Test: Where do you stand politically?

by JanH in

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sometimes political orientation is described through a left-right axis only, which is obviously inadequate as it tends to associate gandhi and stalin, and make pol pot a radical and hitler a conservative.. this is a good, short test that asks you a number of questions and places you on a two-dimensional axis.. take it here: http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/.

i took the test and got the following result:.

your political compass:economic left/right: -1.12. authoritarian/libertarian: -6.21. that is, centrist with a slight leftist bent, strongly libertarian.

lauralisa

Hey there Patio 34,

We should get together and start some kind of movement. Gopher can be our cute Spokesperson!

All of you other people, send me all of your stuff according to your abilities (I definitely "need" it)

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Test: Where do you stand politically?

by JanH in

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sometimes political orientation is described through a left-right axis only, which is obviously inadequate as it tends to associate gandhi and stalin, and make pol pot a radical and hitler a conservative.. this is a good, short test that asks you a number of questions and places you on a two-dimensional axis.. take it here: http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/.

i took the test and got the following result:.

your political compass:economic left/right: -1.12. authoritarian/libertarian: -6.21. that is, centrist with a slight leftist bent, strongly libertarian.

lauralisa

Fascinating... but I'm suprised at how out there I am?

Maybe I don't take these 'net tests' very well. I took Xena's "find your romance type" test and it turns out my dream-man is someone in the

"Goofball"

category.

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.18

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Was Russell a freemason and an adventist?

by wholewheat in

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was russell a freemason and was he a member of the adventist church?

lauralisa

simwitness,

I thought of this after reading your question. Two years ago I was still very much "active" in the trooth. At the same time, I was struggling in therapy (I actually moved to another city to engage in a NIMH program specific to survivors of this particular abuse)* to come to terms with hideous stuff that had happened to me as a child, at the hands of my 33 degree mason father and his freakazoid associates. I did a LOT of research and Google searches on things relative to freemasonry and other related iconology - (the few things that I could remember).

What completely freaked me out was the incredible number of times that 'Jehovah's witnesses' or 'Charles T. Russell' or WTBTS came up during some of these searches; in fact, it led me to H2O and this very discussion board.(It was strange; the first time I pulled this URL up on my computer there was a post discussing the very same things I had been trying to figure out. I thought this was a DB dedicated to people who were just like me! HAAAHHAAAAAHHAA) Simon was very impressive - and still is - in his respect and tolerance for "free speech".

I learned enough about the WTBTS to get myself outta that tangled mess of obfuscation, but after almost a full year of dedicated research to unravel the mysteries of freemasonry (at least the kind I remembered) I have concluded that it is virtually impossible to get information that is consistent, reliable, helpful, accurate, comprehendable or useful. From wherever one starts, a fractal tree of infinite proportions emerges. It would take a century for a million people to make any reasonable, verifiable conclusions, and even then, it would be suspect.

I'd say perhaps 98.999% of all freemasons are good people who do community services and belong to a "club" - and the rest are some really sick fucks who wouldn't recognize "normal" even if it became a lesion attached to their brain.

This is probably more of a reply to your question than you bargained for, but if you're interested, here's one of MANY discussions that have taken place in the past: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14180&site=3

Take care, lauralisa

* PS to any who saw a red flag here - yes, I know.......

Edited by - lauralisa on 2 July 2002 11:31:51