Sorry that I have to admit I didn't read your whole diatribe on this, but the fact that I am here, as well as several other posted that I see recently, indicates to me that your assertion (sp? sorry the Cabernet has it's effect, and I don't care right now) is totally wrong. There are several recent issues, i.e., the over-lapping generations that have made many sit up and take notice. Personally, I don't take it all as God's Word anymore.
DesirousOfChange
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Why the GB can get away with saying whatever the HELL they want--even literally
by Pika_Chu inhas anyone noticed that...no, no, i'm joking!
of course you all know what it's like to debate the r and f. you tell them about actual logical arguments that contradict the gb, and eventually all your "discussions" descend into a sort of "la,la,la, can't hear you!
i can't let those apostate ideas touch my ears!
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Babylon The Great Is Economic Ruin (Being Fulfilled)
by Este in12 jesus entered the temple area.
he began chasing out all those who were buying and selling there.
he turned over the tables of the people who were exchanging money.
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DesirousOfChange
I think a tax on religious organizations, with perhaps an exclusion for the actual church sanctuary property, could be sold to a majority of people in the US. It would again be a red vs. blue issue with the conservative right siding with religion. Many people see the abuse of religion for profit. JMHO
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So my dad called today...
by DanaBug inwe had a tornado watch today.
my dad called to check on us and tell us they had what he thought was a tornado near their house.
the tops of some trees went missing.
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DesirousOfChange
No, he'd never conduct my wedding, they wouldn't even be there. They weren't at my sister's wedding or at any of their grandkids births.
I know of a couple of hardliners who took that position and came to sincerely regret it in their old age. If he ever becomes humble enough to regret the decisions, hopefully you will be able to accept his change of heart.
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Did you feel this way?
by purplesofa inthese two comments are from a jw message board.
the comments were to an article posted about the uprising in greece.. .
this is so sad, but you no we are very, very, very close to the end of this system.i am so glad because i hate this system and satan along with it.
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But isn't there a scripture about Jehovah *not* taking delight in the destruction of someone wicked??? -Aude.
1 TIM. 2:3 -- "This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved..."
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Did you feel this way?
by purplesofa inthese two comments are from a jw message board.
the comments were to an article posted about the uprising in greece.. .
this is so sad, but you no we are very, very, very close to the end of this system.i am so glad because i hate this system and satan along with it.
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DesirousOfChange
Jehovah will give us the stranth......when he comes to disstroy them, hope ill make it to see his powere.
So, this is what happens when you deny people an edukashun.
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Young people, you can die if you do not progress in the truth and become baptized.
by garyneal inthis is what the guest speaker was saying at my wife's hall yesterday.
she and i was babysitting our niece and since she had three kids going to the hall with her (including my two daughters) i figured i'd go with her to help out.
they were rambuctious and wild to say the least.. while i was in the hallway with my youngest daughter, i continued to listen to the speaker talk.
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DesirousOfChange
Just how exceptional must these 9-, 10-, 11-year olds be who are getting baptised?
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Young people, you can die if you do not progress in the truth and become baptized.
by garyneal inthis is what the guest speaker was saying at my wife's hall yesterday.
she and i was babysitting our niece and since she had three kids going to the hall with her (including my two daughters) i figured i'd go with her to help out.
they were rambuctious and wild to say the least.. while i was in the hallway with my youngest daughter, i continued to listen to the speaker talk.
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LUKE 2:42, 46-47 -- "And when [Jesus] became twelve years old, they went up [to Jerusalem] according to the custom of the festival........ 46 Well, after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers and listening to them and questioning them. 47 But all those listening to him were in constant amazement at his understanding and his answers."
LUKE 3:21 -- "Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus also was baptized and, as he was praying, the heaven was opened up 22 and the holy spirit in bodily shape like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.” 23 Furthermore, Jesus himself, when he commenced [his work], was about thirty years old,..."
1 PETER 2:21 -- "In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely"
The teachers at the temple were in constant amazement of Jesus' understanding when he was just 12 years old, yet Jesus waited until he was 30 YEARS OLD to be baptized. I say Christian youths would do well to "follow his steps closely" and wait for baptism until they are 30 years old.
Who can argue with scripture?
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Can an Elder Decline to go to Elder's School?
by VM44 inthe watchtower's goal is to have every elder attend the elder's school.. in the united states the school has been held in patterson, new york, which involves traveling considerable distances for some in order to attend it.. can an elder decline to make the trip?.
what happens if he does decline?.
what makes the elder's school so imporant anyway?
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DesirousOfChange
Has anyone done the week-long gig at Patteson that can share any info about it?
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BBC news re Nathan Phillips xjw
by Curtains inhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/local/somerset/hi/people_and_places/religion_and_ethics/newsid_9367000/9367220.stm.
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(WT 02/15/11 pg 31 par 15) "What if that one is a close relative who no longer lives at home?’ Such a situation canbe a real test of our love of righteousness and of our loyalty to God."
(pg 32 par 17) "The elder reasoned with her that even though Jehovah knows how painful such a circumstance can be, he requires that unrepentant sinners be disfellowshipped."
I wonder why Jehovah didn't require such absolute shunning from prior to 1952 or the mid-70s to 1981? [FLIP FLOP]
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Can an Elder Decline to go to Elder's School?
by VM44 inthe watchtower's goal is to have every elder attend the elder's school.. in the united states the school has been held in patterson, new york, which involves traveling considerable distances for some in order to attend it.. can an elder decline to make the trip?.
what happens if he does decline?.
what makes the elder's school so imporant anyway?
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DesirousOfChange
I think some may be confusing two different schools.
1) Every 3 years or so, there is a 3-day school (Fri, Sat, Sun) conducted locally for elders (2 days, Fri & Sat) and ministerial servants (1 day, usually Sunday so elders can conduct Sun meeting). These are typically conducted on the circuit level using a local KH, or several circuits have met together at assembly halls
2) A Kingdom Ministry school for Presiding Overseers/Coordinators has been being conducted in Patterson for a few years now. The original goal was for all POs (no CoBE) to attend. I understand this was expanded with the goal for either all elders of the Service Committees to attend, and perhaps for ALL elders to eventually attend. This is for one full week (or perhaps it was even for 2 weeks originally). Seems like there was some talk of conducting at more locations now than just Patterson, such as regional Assembly Halls around the country (US), such as where they conduct Ministerial Training Schools. (I don't know if this has been implemented beyond the US at this time.)
My liberal elder friend who is usually open to discussing organizational "secrets" has already attended this school in Patterson, but he refuses to say almost anything about it. Just that it was incredibly encouraging and he doesn't understand why it isn't adapted to regular meetings for the entire cong to benefit. (Obviously, then there wouldn't be any "secrets" to make elders feel the power.) If anyone here (POs/CoBE) has attended this school, what's it about? What's the big secrets? (Maybe this could be a new thread if there are enough comments?)