It may already be too late for him...what you told him is confusing him and just a few lame words of reassurance from the elders had him turn on you...apostate! He already believes the WT truth (current truth that is) and facts about the JWs mean nothing. The brothers say it is the truth...it must be so because they are the only one preaching, united, politically neutral and they love each other...There is no deception in the WT, only errors from an unperfect organization, errors corrected in due time under God's direction.
Posts by NVR2L8
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35re: JW Study - an update. I've heard back from him!!
by uk_ex_jw infurther to my post the other day re: jw study who had a conversation with me on facebook and started questioning his beliefs, he has now contacted me back....will post the quotes underneath.. his response:.
yes i did tell some brothers how confused i was about the information you sent me, they said does it matter where charles russel is burried, i aggree its abou god not man, and as for peadophillia in past yes it did happen in congregations, but that happens everywhere and they said they did not promote it obviously and that people leave when they done that dark act, they said that the police have been employed in past, there are no more cases i now of, again i dont blame god for this he will sort them out...havent been for a while now , at the end of the day there is lots of stuff on net and as long as i am doing it whole from my heart no one judges me but god, i have so many beautifulll friends in the truth, i believe jehova does have a body of people in the world , you do what you will and all the best i just want to do well and all the religions are in wars and do what they want , i am up for 1 god 1 tounge and not doin waht the rest proclaim to do and be there own gods.... its just that all this came out of nowhere , our chats and was damaging to god , i have no idea what you believe in but your messin with fire if you ask me , dont get lost in apostasy and youtube as its a minefield of miss trust.
thats my view, i hardly know you well at all and you keep contacting me asking what they say etc , i too tired to feel lowe cos you dont really say anything good about god you just seem to want to deter me, not once have you mentioned love peace , jesus , just on about me being mislead, you catch my drift, dont mean to come across rude as i am a happy man , but i get your point how you feel and i have always known fun love great friendships and a relation ship with yaweh,jehova etc so shall we just talk footy and world as its clear you can damage my spiritual health as we not talking about good stuff just jw people are mislead when we should be in union regarding the coming of jesus famines wars, disease im gagging for it to come.. my response:.
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Lots of JWs out at tables this morning!
by AuntBee inso, i actually stopped at two different tables that i saw.
the first was 2 elderly men - they were so sweet and open to discuss.
i brought up the topic of the divine name and why the wt inserted it into the nt with no evidence from greek manuscripts.
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NVR2L8
When I was still in I saw one of these tables set up at the San Diego airport. I was with a work associate and I wanted to impress him on how JWs are united...so I stopped by the table and the sisters greated me warmly, as always. They told me they weren't allowed to approach anyone and only spoke to those who came to them at the table. I guess they were happy to finally have someone to talk to...even if I was a JW from Canada.
I was also approached by JWs at the Incheon airport in Seoul, South Korea. Two witnesses who spoke very little English saw me working on my computer while waiting for my airline counter to open so I could check-in. They asked where I was from and offered a tract in English. I opened my wallet and showed them my medical advice card (card I no longer carry). So they stuck around telling me about their life a JWs in South Korea.
I learned a while back that my 79 year old mother who is a long time pioneer has been doing "table" work at her local airport...I guess it is easier than walking all day going door to door.
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No Baptism For Military - but How About Law Officers?
by Vanderhoven7 indoes the wts sanction baptism of gun carrying law officers?.
does being a cop or prison guard or any other occupation requiring the carrying of a weapon.
disqualify a person from personal dedication to jehovah according to the fds?.
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In the local congregation one of the elders is a prison guard in a medium security facility and there is also a sister working as a guard too. In the same congregation there is a brother who is a uniform court officer and he drives prisoners between the jail and the court house. None of them carry guns but they used pepper spray and a telescopic club...They also go through training on how to subdue prisoners. In my home town I heard that a couple who were both police officers left their job so they could get baptized. Of course both were often on assembly programs and they were pioneering...life was so much better! In my wife's former congregation a police detective could not serve as a MS or elder because he carried a gun. He decided to quit his job and work for Trimline so he could get service privileges at the KHall...of course he was in charge of security at large conventions...
...Cornelieus...wasn't he a soldier when Holy spririt was bestowed on him?
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The GB is Being Careless With People's Lives
by What Now? ini haven't had much opportunity to be on here lately, except from my phone, which i can't post from.
but i have actually had chance to sit down at the computer and i wanted to share something.. .
so my sister has joined a foreign language group.
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The WT will wash their hands by saying that your sister volunteered for this trip...I guess she must be paying her way from her own pockets...
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What did your personal big AHA moments look like when you saw through a LIE or suddenly understood a TRUTH?
by Fernando in"what is an aha moment?
it's a moment of clarity, a defining moment where you gain real wisdom - wisdom you can use to change your life.".
(from a financial services company - http://www.ahamoment.com/what-is).
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NVR2L8
I am still in the moment...but it first started when I realized that the WT was misquoting secular sources to support their teachings. Such dishonnesty lead me broaden the scope of my research. Then when the new light on the generation came along and I read the outline for the final talk before attending the 2010 district convention. On that same day we had the WT review and it was also the article discussing the generation! The brother doing the review look very uncomfortable when it came to these 2 infamous paragraphs and he read word for word the explanation from the WT. I just couldn't wait to see the reaction of the audience when the final talk would be given later that day...That was the deal breaker: people applauding, bobbing their head in approval and worse, most not reacting at all. I was looking at all the older ones siting at ground level taking it all in without realizing that their hope to make it through the big A and never dying had just been crushed, that 5 years from now most of them would be dead. I was furious. I asked my wife about it on the way home and she had no clue what I was talking about. At that point I told her that I had been at my last meeting...you can imagine the rest of the drive...
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A Brother Died At Bethel
by MrFreeze ini got a text from my mom when i got into work today saying that a brother i've known for a while had died.
he was a bethelite and they found him dead in his room.
he was the same age as me.
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NVR2L8
Usually when the cause of death is suicide everyone tries to keep it under cover because no one knows how everyonelse is going to react to the news. We had 2 suicides in the neighbouring congregation, a young man in his early 20's and a pioneer girl in her late 20's. Both had a talk at the KHall. Back home one of my best friends committed suicide 5 years ago. There was also a talk. In all cases they blamed it on depression and they were victims of Satan's world. I am very sad the see such desperation in young ones especially those who appear to be really happy in the congregation...that's what happens when you're taught to keep your doubts and negative feelings to yourself. If you confide in someone the solution always lies in doing more in service, praying more, waiting on Jehovah and hanging in there because the new system is sooooo close.
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How Does Your Family/ Friends Treat You Now That You Are Not A True Believer?
by minimus inhow do you feel about the treatment?.
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NVR2L8
I haven't made it official yet...but my sibblings know. My elderly mom may not yet know but the last time she called she only spoke to my wife who is still active. I just found out that they are all planning to visit us in the next few months. They all live 300 miles away and they will be staying in our home for a few days. My wife's JW relatives have also said they may come and visit...So I don't pray before meals and I won't go the the meetings with them...I'm sure that will shock some of them since I was probably to most active JW of the bunch.
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It's the little things...
by MrFreeze ini remember when friends would say something like "you wouldn't want to lose out on everlasting life over something so small, would you?
" this would usually be said to you when you were doing some little thing you weren't supposed to be doing as a jw... like watching an r-rated movie... having a beard.
i'm sure we've all heard it.. the thing that i've realized is that it works both ways.
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I agree....the blanket is always pulled in the same direction. My wife put on our fridge a message found in a fortune cookie that said: Do not let anyone stop you from doing what you believe is right. She was trying to let me know that I shouldn't attempt to pull her away from the "truth". When I saw the message I thanked her for no longer trying to stop me from doing what I believe is right (leaving the JWs)...you should have seen her face! A few days later the message disapeared...
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Tomorrow's Watchtower Study: Steve hits Selma in North America... not South America
by Alfred ini started a thread a few days ago that probably went unnoticed for the most part (under "scandals & cover-ups") regarding steve hitting selma in tomorrow's wt study... i just wanted to recap it here for those who may have missed it.... the spanish version changes the story completely.... if you've read that paragraph 12 it basically says that steve hit selma as she tried to prove a point.
selma then feels sorry for herself.. in the spanish version steve merely gets furious with her and she gets sad.. by the way, i just looked up the italian version... .
selma ricorda una lezione che imparo dalla sorella che le conduceva lo studio.
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Wha...the way I am going to bring this up with my wife is that 5 years ago we had a brother live with us for a year because his (bipolar) wife kicked him out of their home because he was abusive...the elders sided with her and gave us a hard time for having him under our roof. When they went to court she had to admit he never touched her and that the "abuse" was verbal...still she could not even recall anything in particular! According to the WT "new light" she should have stayed with her husband even if he smacked her around...this couple was married 15 years...2 years short of the exemple in the article...
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Tomorrow's Watchtower Study: Steve hits Selma in North America... not South America
by Alfred ini started a thread a few days ago that probably went unnoticed for the most part (under "scandals & cover-ups") regarding steve hitting selma in tomorrow's wt study... i just wanted to recap it here for those who may have missed it.... the spanish version changes the story completely.... if you've read that paragraph 12 it basically says that steve hit selma as she tried to prove a point.
selma then feels sorry for herself.. in the spanish version steve merely gets furious with her and she gets sad.. by the way, i just looked up the italian version... .
selma ricorda una lezione che imparo dalla sorella che le conduceva lo studio.
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NVR2L8
Wha...showing her the two different version may cause her to doubt that the story is true...did he hit her or was he only furious...which one is it? It can only be one or the other.