And then Bad_Wolf, there are other optimists. Of course, this university may be just touting for busines (i.e. more students) but if sincere see a different future - but clearly not for anyone disinclined to study. But, I'm imagining that it will be difficult to program a machine to wash many different types/sizes of windows. But then, i've jusst been reminded future machines may be able to look at window and program itself to wash it clean... so there go the window washing jobs also.
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At this point in time and onward, how technology may send the human race back to the stone age...
by Bad_Wolf infor thousands of years, the human race has slowly advanced by learning and mastering professions and grouping into cities allowing specializations.
these trades were passed directly and through books.
but everything until recently began with the ground up.
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At this point in time and onward, how technology may send the human race back to the stone age...
by Bad_Wolf infor thousands of years, the human race has slowly advanced by learning and mastering professions and grouping into cities allowing specializations.
these trades were passed directly and through books.
but everything until recently began with the ground up.
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I'm not sure myself, how this new development in human history will progress. However, since this is about AIm which Simon has declared is mostly about the recognition of patterns, I will comment that in the past most developments have eventually failed to have the feared effect, and some have actually worked out as beneficial. Maybe that is because I tend to look at things from a positive viewpoint.
Will that happen in this case? I guess it is possible, but given human behaviour (one thing that I'm negative about) it may not. For example robotics and AI can replace workers. Once 'wharfies,' the workers who once unloaded ships were many. The number of wharfies has dwindled over the past 50 years. For example in the port of Qingdao (China) about 7th in world in terms of tonnage, only 9 workers are now required as it is now automated. (See - https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d637a4e31677a4d/share_p.html )
More and more ports in China are being automated, Shanghai's Yangshan port, often the largest in the world in terms of freights throughput is also automated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzOeAGAu60k
Currently, (as I understand the situation) most workers are absorbed in other industries, which may be true since China is said by some western commentators to have a labour shortage. But that sort of situation cannot continue. But what could happen is that working hours could be reduced gradually from the present (in most western countries) from a 5 day week to a 4 day week and even a 3 day week. Where would that process end. I've got no idea!
But here's someone who claims he's considered the possibilities. His name is Lee Kaifu and this is his TED lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajGgd9Ld-Wc&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1aTiNJavaj5fnrXmkKByPS35cS2eFzYe2wF6E5pSsj2qZc4pEpLnRSMUA
I appreciate that's not an answer to your apocalyptic vision of a human catastrophe, but projecting a narrow vision into such a time-scale cannot have a realistic answer.
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"Do not make for yourself an image of God ..."
by stuckinarut2 ina thought struck me regarding the biblical directive found in a few places including exodus 20:4.
"do not make a likeness of god in the form of any creature that is on the earth or heavens ".
it would seem disrespectful to use "dirty" creatures to describe perfect beings?.
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We all make images in our imagination, and if we think there may be a god, we'd make a mental image of it.
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Aussie Bush Humour - Do not listen if U cling to christian values.
by fulltimestudent inif your not worried about jw moral standards you may like to hear this verse, about the dangers posed by some makes of plastic chairs to manly men.. https://www.facebook.com/groups/818023414953244/permalink/1667787039976873/.
dont forget to turn the sound on!.
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If your not worried about JW moral standards you may like to hear this verse, about the dangers posed by some makes of plastic chairs to manly men.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/818023414953244/permalink/1667787039976873/
Dont forget to turn the sound on!
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Is Being a “Manly Man” a Bad Thing?
by minimus inso much is said regarding men , in a negative way.
shaving commercials are now lecturing us as to how bad we really are.
men should be less masculine.
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A friend just sent me this yaoi drawing. I'm sure you'll work out the point it attempts to make.
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Is Being a “Manly Man” a Bad Thing?
by minimus inso much is said regarding men , in a negative way.
shaving commercials are now lecturing us as to how bad we really are.
men should be less masculine.
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Posted: Quote: "I don't feel guilty for being a male, and I don't feel like less of a male for going to the ballet, opera, or loving to cook."
Nor should you! We can just accept the wide variation in behaviours as normal. I find the extreme reactions to some of these issues interesting. Why are some men and some women extreme in their reactions to these issues.
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Is Being a “Manly Man” a Bad Thing?
by minimus inso much is said regarding men , in a negative way.
shaving commercials are now lecturing us as to how bad we really are.
men should be less masculine.
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Quote: FTS - The Bear Grylls programme was nothing but light entertainment. Interesting but anecdotal.
I agree, Cofty, so I find it hard to believe (unless I've missed something) that this 'entertainment' is being offered as evidence of female incompetence. I think you would agree with that.
I do think there is at least some difference between male and female thinking that is likely the result of the processes you have already described. But we should not fall into the trap of thinking that its all standardised and final. It seems those processes produce a range of results with a wide range of what we call femininised/masculinised behaviours. All the people in the TV series we've discussed would have done better if they had had some good bushcraft training.
Quote:The evidence that matters is from neuroscience and evolutionary psychology.
Again I agree. If we do not depend on 'evidence' for our lives and minds, then we may as well go back to believing that yhwh or jesus or buddha or some other deity will tell us how to live and fix up all the hassles for us.
Quote: Babies are not blank slates.
And again. I agree. However, to continue your descriptive terminology, their minds are still like slates. Their minds will be influenced by their life experiences, (Imagine a young boy brutalised by an aggressive father, he grows up to be a similar adult to his father. Is that because of too much testosterone? Or, is it the training he received? Or, is his mind influenced by a sense of injustice and seeking revenge?). Nor, should we forget the role of culture. The culture that prevails in the society in which we live will be transmitted to us in many different ways.
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The Young & not so young taking drugs @ Music Festivals in OZ.
by smiddy3 inmusic festivals are supposed to be entertaining events for young and old alike ,so why is it that so many youths and one`s in their twenty`s & thirty`s are being treated for drug overdoses at these venues ?.
their is so much information about the dangers of using drugs at these events or anywhere else ,why do they do it ?.
they put their own life at risk and traumatize those that try to treat them ?.
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If the government opts for the pill-testing option will the pill peddlers start selling "genuine pre-tested products?"
And, if someone has a pill tested and still becomes ill, is there a legal liability attached for someone. If there is, I think the promoters should provide the pill testing service and carry the legal responsibility, though I'm guessing that there may be many less shows then.
Also, what's wrong with letting drug takers die? The country will then be better off and the average IQ will increase.
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Is Being a “Manly Man” a Bad Thing?
by minimus inso much is said regarding men , in a negative way.
shaving commercials are now lecturing us as to how bad we really are.
men should be less masculine.
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Also found this discussion of what appears to be the same show already referred to previous comments.
Its published in New Statesman America, and to my surprise it seems that there were three different series, with what may be called different outcomes.
I should point at that the author was a woman ( Anna Leszkiewic) so some comments could have bias, it could be argued.
In the three series referenced there appears to have been different outcomes, with the women coming off best in the last. (Read her thoughts and see what you think!!)
Quote:"The men had been struggling from the start: as soon as their boat hit the shore, Bradford’s 26-year-old Riz broke down sobbing, explaining he was “getting emotional”. The rest of the men waited awkwardly for him to stop crying (offering such useful support as, “he’s properly crying!”, “fuck, man” and “we shouldn’t be moving with that”) before beginning their hunt for a habitable spot. They had to stop several times on their trek for him, spending their first night in the middle of a dense forest."
Compare that viewpoint, with the women:
Quote: "The women, meanwhile, led by army veteran and amputee Hannah, and 57-year-old retired farmer Erika, had found a habitable campsite and food sources, immediately built a fire, and settled in rather comfortably by the end of day one. Hannah, in particular, refused to slow the group down, despite having several issues with her prosthetic leg."
Which brings me back to the point I made earlier about cultural influences. All these people were from the same general cultural group, but with different experiences in life (if you like, with different sub-cultural influences.
The young male who cries on the first day has a different sub-cultural experience to the ex-army, one legged woman and the woman ex-farmer who seem to have become leaders for the female group.
So now I'm wondering, did Bear Grylls select people who may illustrate his arguments, or were they selected randomly? What do you think? If it had been a genuine scientific experiment the participants would have had to be selected randomly to prevent the selectors possible bias influencing the outcom
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Is Being a “Manly Man” a Bad Thing?
by minimus inso much is said regarding men , in a negative way.
shaving commercials are now lecturing us as to how bad we really are.
men should be less masculine.
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It would be interesting to know the background of all the men in the group. Did they all participate and contribute equally? Did some become leaders, driving the activities that would have led to their survival in a real life context?
And, to what extant was culture an influence?
I.m not disagreeing with the conclusions of this study, just thinking aloud.
It is interesting to compare that experiment with some real life situations, for example the seamen in the well-known Mutiny of the Bounty. There seem to be somewhat similar similar outcomes among the crews of Dutch ships wrecked on the W.A. Coast.
Some of the difficulties experienced have been dramatised (sort of) in the fictional, "Lord of the Flies. This novel/film used a group of boys to make its point. Which therefore makes a point of view that the novelist chose. Do we too, tend to have a P.O.V. and then look for evidence to support our P.O.V.
Similarly, with the women. Again. I think it's interesting to attempt to analyse their experience, first by their backgrounds and secondly by the cultural influences in their lives.
I have not had time to read all comments, so I apologise if what seems to be the show that Cofty referred to has already been referenced already.