Apologies for this duplication. I tried to post this yesterday, but I thought I'd stuffed up somehow, as it did not appear.
That's why there's another effort to tell the story today, so best to look at the other thread.
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A Reminder of the Time When Jerusalem was a Christian city.
by fulltimestudent inconstruction workers in jerusalem have uncovered an inscription that recalls the era when jerusalem could be described as a christian city.. why?
we usually think of jerusalem as a jewish city, but following the first roman war against the jews and the destruction of the city in 70 ce, the city lay in ruins, as described by josephus:.
"jerusalem ... was so thoroughly razed to the ground by those that demolished it to its foundations, that nothing was left that could ever persuade visitors that it had once been a place of habitation.".
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A Reminder of the Time When Jerusalem was a Christian city.
by fulltimestudent inconstruction workers in jerusalem have uncovered an inscription that recalls the era when jerusalem could be described as a christian city.. why?
we usually think of jerusalem as a jewish city, but following the first roman war against the jews and the destruction of the city in 70 ce, the city lay in ruins, as described by josephus:.
"jerusalem ... was so thoroughly razed to the ground by those that demolished it to its foundations, that nothing was left that could ever persuade visitors that it had once been a place of habitation.".
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Construction workers in Jerusalem have uncovered an inscription that recalls the era when Jerusalem could be described as a Christian city.
Why? We usually think of Jerusalem as a Jewish city, but following the first Roman war against the Jews and the destruction of the city in 70 CE, the city lay in ruins, as described by Josephus:
"Jerusalem ... was so thoroughly razed to the ground by those that demolished it to its foundations, that nothing was left that could ever persuade visitors that it had once been a place of habitation."
Then came the second Jewish revolt, led by Bar Kokhba in the years 132-136 CE, The Emperor Hadrian was going to re-build the city as a (conciliatory?) gift to the Jews, but was counselled not to do that as it may encourage another rebellion, So Hadrian rebuilt the city as a Roman colony and named it Aelia Capitolina.
This map is believed to show the city around the early 6th century.
The Madaba Map depiction of 6th-century Jerusalem has the Cardo Maximus, the town’s main street, beginning at the northern gate, today's Damascus Gate, and traversing the city in a straight line from north to south to "Nea Church"
Jews were forbidden to enter the new city (except for one day a year). If they did they could be executed. Temples for the worship of Roman Gods were built. When the Emperor Constantine began to tolerate Christianity, a number of churches were built in the city. All the burial remains in the city in this period are Christian, suggesting that the city had become a Christian city. Which brings us to this discovered inscription: Here's an image of it.
Translated to English it reads:"The most pious Roman emperor Flavius Justinian and the most God-loving priest and abbot, Constantine, erected the building in which (this mosaic) sat during the 14th indiction."
Dated by archaeologists to 550-551 CE, it is likely that it was associated with the Nea Church that Justinian ordered to be built in 543 CE.
More information in this ABC (Australia) coverage:
However just as YHWH was not powerful enough to prevent the Romans destroying Jerusalem, neither was Jesus powerful enough to prevent Sasanian (Iranian) forces from conquering the city in 614 with the aid of the Jews, who then massacred tens of thousands of Christians and destroyed Christian churches.
In 629, the Byzantian Emperor Heraclius, re-conquered the city and the Byzantians were able to manage to hold the city until the flood tide of Arab armies captured the city and it became an Arabic.Muslim city.
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A Reminder of the time when Jerusalem was a Christian City
by fulltimestudent inconstruction workers in jerusalem have uncovered an inscription that recalls the era when jerusalem could be described as a christian city.
this is the story of how jerusalem changed into a christian city for a brief period in its history.
how did it happen?
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So here at last is an image of the recently discovered inscription.
Translated to English it reads:
"The most pious Roman emperor Flavius Justinian and the most God-loving priest and abbot, Constantine, erected the building in which (this mosaic) sat during the 14th indiction."
Dated by archaeologists to 550-551 CE, it is likely that it was associated with the Nea Church that Justinian ordered to be built in 543 CE.
Justinian could be described as the Emperor who completed the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity. Constantine had initiated the process, but it can be argued that the conversion of the empire was no sure thing at the time of his death. But by the time of Justinian's death the process of conversion was probably irreversible.
That's why I present this archaological find as a "reminder" of a "Christian" Jerusalem.
More information in this ABC (Australia) coverage of the story:
However just as YHWH was not powerful enough to prevent the Romans destroying Jerusalem, neither was Jesus powerful enough to prevent Sasanian (Iranian) forces from conquering the city in 614 with the aid of the Jews, who then massacred tens of thousands of Christians and destroyed Christian churches.
In 629, the Byzantian Emperor Heraclius, re-conquered the city and the Byzantians were able to manage to hold the city until the flood tide of Arab armies captured the city and it became an Arabic.Muslim city.
During the Christian crusades against Islam, Jerusalem (briefly) became a "Christian" city once more, but teh Christians could not hold it against various Muslim armies. Here's how a Wikipedia entry describes the see-sawing war between Christians and Muslims
Jerusalem was conquered by the Christian First Crusade in 1099, after it had been under the Muslim rule for 450 years.
Here's how a Wikipedia entry describes that see-sawing process during the crusades.
It (Jerusalem) became the capital of the Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, until it was again conquered by the Ayyubids in 1187. For the next forty years, a series of Christian campaigns (the Third, Fourth and Fifth Crusades) attempted in vain to retake the city, until Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor leading the Sixth Crusade successfully negotiated its return in 1229. In 1244, the city was taken by the Khwarazmian dynasty and mostly destroyed. After 1250, it came under the rule of the Mamluk sultanate and was gradually rebuilt during the later 13th century. During those wars both sides used atrocities to attempt to demoralise the enemy,
Post WW1, the British claimed Palestine as part of the British Empire. After WW2 and the genocidal attempt by the Nazi's to exterminate European Jews. various Jewish groups used terrorist tactics to force the British out.
And today Jerusalem is (mostly) Jewish again.
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A Reminder of the time when Jerusalem was a Christian City
by fulltimestudent inconstruction workers in jerusalem have uncovered an inscription that recalls the era when jerusalem could be described as a christian city.
this is the story of how jerusalem changed into a christian city for a brief period in its history.
how did it happen?
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JESUS really got into the act in the 4th century, although there was likely a Christian presence in the city before that. There are early Christian records that provide the name of various bishops in charge of the Jerusalem congregation.
But sometime after the Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan and began to tolerate Christianity, his mother Helena, who may have been the major influence on Constantine’s decision to tolerate Christianity, visited Palestine, persuaded Constantine to order the demolition of the Temple of Venus and paid for the construction of some churches, including the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, built over the site of the former temple of Venus.
In history books we seldom see images of Helena, which is interesting considering that she most likely was the source of the Christian influence on her son. But here’s one surviving image.
And here's a pik of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre
In 335CE bishops from all over west Asia came to Jerusalem for the dedication of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. While there Constantine instructed them to convene a council to discuss church affairs and interestingly this council favoured Arianism.
Also interesting is the fact that most of the burial remains of this historical period are Christian, suggesting that the majority of people living in Jerusalem were Christian.
Jerusalem had become a Christian city.
Which brings us to that recent discovery
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A Reminder of the time when Jerusalem was a Christian City
by fulltimestudent inconstruction workers in jerusalem have uncovered an inscription that recalls the era when jerusalem could be described as a christian city.
this is the story of how jerusalem changed into a christian city for a brief period in its history.
how did it happen?
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Construction workers in Jerusalem have uncovered an inscription that recalls the era when Jerusalem could be described as a Christian city. This is the story of how Jerusalem changed into a Christian city for a brief period in its history
How did it happen?
We usually think of Jerusalem as a Jewish city, but following the first Roman war against the Jews and the destruction of the city in 70 CE, Jerusalem lay in ruins, as described by Josephus:
"Jerusalem ... was so thoroughly razed to the ground by those that demolished it to its foundations, that nothing was left that could ever persuade visitors that it had once been a place of habitation."
References: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/josephussack.html
Then came the second Jewish revolt, led by Bar Kokhba in the years 132-136 CE, and the very savage Roman reprisals against the rebellious Jews.
Archaeological evidence of both the siege and the later Roman reconstruction has been found. Here's one account of some of the evidence that has been found.
The Jews rebelled again, the second Jewish revolt, led by Bar Kokhba in the years 132-136 CE, followed by very savage Roman reprisals against the rebellious Jews. Jews were forbidden to enter the new city (except for one day a year). If they did they could be executed. Temples for the worship of Roman Gods were built.
This how the 4th century Christian historian described that time:
"The whole nation (of the Jews) was prohibited from this time on by a decree, and by the commands of Adrian, from ever going up to the country about Jerusalem. For the emperor gave orders that they should not even see from a distance the land of their fathers. Such is the account of Aristo of Pella. And thus, when the city had been emptied of the Jewish nation and had suffered a total destruction of its ancient inhabitants, it was colonized by a different race, and the Roman city which subsequently arose was called Aelia, in honour of the emperor Aelius Adrian." - – Eusebius, History of the Church, 39.6.3.
This map is believed to show the city (in an illustrated way) around the early 6th century.
The Madaba Map depiction of 6th-century Jerusalem has the Cardo Maximus, the town’s main street, beginning at the northern gate, today's Damascus Gate, and traversing the city in a straight line from north to south to "Nea Church"
Where once the Jews had worshipped YHWH, but with Jews now banned from the new city (except for one day a year). If they did they could be executed. Roman and Greek colonists worshipped pagan gods in temples built by the Romans.
That was the end of the association between the city and the Jews of that period, Jerusalem had become a Roman city.
So how did JESUS get into the act?
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Cart witnessing in the quietest in my suburb.
by fulltimestudent ini walked to the station yesterday to meet a friend, and on the way, in what must be the quietest street in the entire suburb, were two j.witnesses and their little cart, all set with a literature display.
i wondered what point there may have been to choose that location.
i felt like grabbing one of their bibles and reading matthew 5:15 to them:.
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I walked to the station yesterday to meet a friend, and on the way, in what must be the quietest street in the entire suburb, were two J.witnesses and their little cart, all set with a literature display. I wondered what point there may have been to choose that location. I felt like grabbing one of their bibles and reading Matthew 5:15 to them:
Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.
Whatever hours they reported were wasted hours.
And ironically, the magazine at the top of the display, asked the question, (grin), " Are you doing too much."
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Escaping from the YHWH/JESUS prison
by fulltimestudent ina poster recently inferred that i was never a jw, but was only on this site to spread a 'political' dogma.
not true!.
anyway, cleaning up some old files this morning, i found an old 'story of life' post that i made (i think) on another xjw site.
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Ruby456 : hi fulltimestudent. you have completed all your studies while in the middle to late middle aged bracket. I think that is amazing and worth lots and lots of applause.
Thank you, Ruby (and I'm grinning) - but I only wish I was in the 'late middle-aged' bracket.
When I finish my last essay* and an associated shorter visual, (assuming I pass) and graduate next year, I will be (sighing for my sacrificed youth) - 82. Because of the structure of studies at Macquarie, I will graduate with a major in Ancient History and a minor in Japanese studies. I call my study path a 'blackmarket' path, because I just looked at what study units were available, and of interest to my study goal, at the start of each year.
When I ran out of interesting study units at MU, I used a provision to take more Asian history units at Sydney U. So as I said elsewhere, I have a very comprehensive view of Asian history, with China/East Asia at the very core.
* Working title: "The Lives of Minor Kabuki Actors in Tokugawan Art and Literature."
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Is this Ancient Babylonian Trig System more accurate than the early Greek system?
by fulltimestudent inscientists at the university of nsw have been investigating an ancient clay tablet, known as plimpton 322, from the time of hammurabi (circa 1800 bce), whose laws may have been the model for the laws attributed to moses.. their conclusions are interesting.
if you want to quickly see what its about, check outs this video by the unsw,.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-zpgp1aje.
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A clear still shot of the tablet from the UK Telegraph (Ifyou'd like one):
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Is this Ancient Babylonian Trig System more accurate than the early Greek system?
by fulltimestudent inscientists at the university of nsw have been investigating an ancient clay tablet, known as plimpton 322, from the time of hammurabi (circa 1800 bce), whose laws may have been the model for the laws attributed to moses.. their conclusions are interesting.
if you want to quickly see what its about, check outs this video by the unsw,.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-zpgp1aje.
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Scientists at the University of NSW have been investigating an ancient clay tablet, known as Plimpton 322, from the time of Hammurabi (circa 1800 BCE), whose Laws may have been the model for the Laws attributed to Moses.
Their conclusions are interesting. If you want to quickly see what its about, check outs this video by the UNSW,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-ZPGp1AJE
If you'd like to know more, then watch this longer version:
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The Evolutionary History of the Apple
by fulltimestudent inthis is a fascinating study of how our modern apples evolved.
the study involved examining the genomes of the array of apple varieties, including related types of fruit.. from it we can learn that the fruit types we know today, may not have existed in ancient times.
from its origins in what we now call kazakhstan, it seems the original fruit changed as trees grew in many places along the great ancient network of trade routes we call the silk road, and as different varieties evolved in various ways.. a readable version of the story can be found in popular archaeology:.
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smiddy : I`m confused !! which Apple did Eve eat ?
Grin! - When I started this thread, I wanted to use the popular conception of Eve's apple as a starting point, but found it too difficult - so I didnt use it. But that's the point isn't it, as ttdtt points out, the fruit we describe as 'apples' was likely not in existence at the mythical creation point of the bible. And, as most of us know, the Genesis account did not call the forbidden tree from which Eve is described as eating, an "apple.
Some think the confusion arose, because of the similarity, (in Latin translations), between 'mali' (Latin for bad or evil) in the Genesis 2:17 account, and the word 'mala' (Latin for apple) in documents like Proverbs 25:11.
But whatever the reason, its allowed a lot of fun for those who want to take the piss out of Christianity.
This was a few years ago, so I'm now having trouble finding the original version so this version will do - the lyrics translation is terrible, but you will get the idea. It starts off a girl thinks that her boyfriend called her ugly, so she has some surgical beautification - which is a failure - which all gives a chance to sing the theme song, "Little Apple"