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  Is The Governing Body Open To Lawsuits In Some Countries Over Enforced Shunning Of Ex Members?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  have they crossed some sort of legal line when they enforce shunning of ex members?

  can they get sued for harassment?

  what are the legal boundaries they have crossed by enforce shunning of ex member by threatening disfellowshipping of any member not shunning certain individuals?

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  @frankiespeakin: Curious, do you think disfellowshipping is a "hate crime"?

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  Is The Governing Body Open To Lawsuits In Some Countries Over Enforced Shunning Of Ex Members?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  have they crossed some sort of legal line when they enforce shunning of ex members?

  can they get sued for harassment?

  what are the legal boundaries they have crossed by enforce shunning of ex member by threatening disfellowshipping of any member not shunning certain individuals?

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  I don't see them having an issue with the disfellowshipping - not in a nation that respects freedom of association. The child molestation, however, is a different story.

  Also, if push comes to shove, they will pay the tax - but it will just get passed down to the members. And with that their persecution complex will be fed. Or they may find a nifty little way around the problem, with the end result being the same.

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  Is The Governing Body Open To Lawsuits In Some Countries Over Enforced Shunning Of Ex Members?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  have they crossed some sort of legal line when they enforce shunning of ex members?

  can they get sued for harassment?

  what are the legal boundaries they have crossed by enforce shunning of ex member by threatening disfellowshipping of any member not shunning certain individuals?

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  @frankiespeakin:

  Like I said at the start of the first comment, they could be in hot water in various nations if there are laws passed against such policies (and the nation doens't care about religious freedom or freedom of association). It has happened before, and it wouldn't suprise me if it happened again.

  But if you are just trying to have a discussion as to whether they are in fact harassing people, or violating human rights, independently from whatever nation's laws you might be thinking of, then I would come down on the side of the WT. I don't think they are harassing anyone. Now, if the elders of congrgation XYZ disfellowship an individual, or if an inidividual disassociates, and the elders continue to contact, talk about, follow, etc - then that is harassment, yes.

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  Is The Governing Body Open To Lawsuits In Some Countries Over Enforced Shunning Of Ex Members?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  have they crossed some sort of legal line when they enforce shunning of ex members?

  can they get sued for harassment?

  what are the legal boundaries they have crossed by enforce shunning of ex member by threatening disfellowshipping of any member not shunning certain individuals?

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  MeanMrMustard

  What legal boundaries are you thinking of? JWs have been banned outright before, so I'm sure a nation could pass laws that would cause JW policies to cross legal lines. If you wondering whether there shunning should be illegal, I would say no. Personally, I don't think they have crossed a legal line. I do not think they should be sued for harassment.

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  ELDER BOOK to be HANDED OVER to Min.of Justice (FINLAND)

  by RagingBull in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jehovah's witnesses to hand over top-secret manualon friday finland's jehovah's witnesses will give their religious rule book to the minister of justice and the minister of the interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it's in line with finnish rule of law.

  jehovah's witnesses will hand over their secret rule book to the minister of justice, anna-maja henriksson, and the minister of the interior, paivi rasanen.

  image: heikki saukkomaa / lehtikuva until now, only senior members of the jehovahs witnesses committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.. the disciplinary activities of the jehovah's witnesses committee have been criticised for violating human rights.. according to anna-maja henriksson, finland's minister of justice, the purpose of the handover is to examine the book and determine whether its rules and regulations run counter to finnish law.. henriksson and interior minister paivi rasanen met on thursday with the leadership of the jehovah's witnesses in helsinki.

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  @RagingBull:

  lambsbottom is right - there is no human rights violation here. Everyone has the right (a true right) to freedom of association. That means that someone can choose not to associate with someone else. You are NOT entitled to anyone's association - that is thier choice, not yours.

  @lambsbottom ... they're doing it because it's a HUMAN RIGHTS issue. That trumps RELIGIOUS RIGHTS! DON'T YOU THINK? maybe you don't.

  Can you tell me what the human right is? Can you list it?

  In the middle east...a woman is about to be EXECUTED for "APOSTASY" (she's not MUSLIM)...that's THEIR religious view. DO YOU THINK THAT IS RIGHT?

  You are comparing someone choosing not to associate with certain people to taking someone's life. When you take someone's life, you violate a true negative right - the right to their own life. But you can't force someone to talk to you if they don't want to - even if you could, then it would be you that would be violating a true right.

  What if your JOB held secret JUDICIARY meetings that could affect (not only your income) your social and private life...and because your family used their products or services, THEY were no longer able to COMMUNICATE with you?... you'd be fine with that?

  What? So I have a job.. and my boss decides they want to fire me? You mean beause they don't like me? Well, ok, but they will soon be out of business and I will soon be down the road at a new job. And how are my former employers going to affect my life after they fire me? This example doens't make sense. The bottom line is that JWs have the right to choose who they do and don't want to associate with. This is a REAL right. Again, I would ask that you list what right you think is being violated. Put it into words.

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  ELDER BOOK to be HANDED OVER to Min.of Justice (FINLAND)

  by RagingBull in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jehovah's witnesses to hand over top-secret manualon friday finland's jehovah's witnesses will give their religious rule book to the minister of justice and the minister of the interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it's in line with finnish rule of law.

  jehovah's witnesses will hand over their secret rule book to the minister of justice, anna-maja henriksson, and the minister of the interior, paivi rasanen.

  image: heikki saukkomaa / lehtikuva until now, only senior members of the jehovahs witnesses committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.. the disciplinary activities of the jehovah's witnesses committee have been criticised for violating human rights.. according to anna-maja henriksson, finland's minister of justice, the purpose of the handover is to examine the book and determine whether its rules and regulations run counter to finnish law.. henriksson and interior minister paivi rasanen met on thursday with the leadership of the jehovah's witnesses in helsinki.

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  I'm sure they will give them everything, no edited copies. But has anyone ever seen an elder's manual from Finland? It is entirely possible that it is different for Finnish elders... not that it matters.

  Until now, only senior members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.

  Only the senior members.... and everyone with an internet connection.

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  Change.org campaign

  by sp74bb in

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  2. friends

  http://www.change.org/petitions/launch-an-investigation-to-determine-if-jehovah-s-witnesses-have-a-right-to-use-coercion-forms-of-mental-torture-to-force-its-members-not-to-leave?share_id=ycgggfgqxa&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition.

  interesting.... i have already signed !.

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  Here we go again....
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  Alcohol kills one person every 10 seconds, Pot not so much

  by designs in

  1. social
  2. current

  who, world health organization, came out with stats for 2012 showing alcohol related illness a leading cause of premature death.

  3.3 million deaths annually.

  more men than women were affected.

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  Legalize the entire range of drugs. End the war on drugs, eliminate the cartels, get lower usage over time.
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  Scientists Warn of Rising Oceans as Antarctic Ice Melts

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the collapse of large parts of the ice sheet in west antarctica appears to have begun and is almost certainly unstoppable, with global warming accelerating the pace of the disintegration, two groups of scientists reported monday.. the finding, which had been feared by some scientists for decades, means that a rise in global sea level of at least 10 feet may now be inevitable.

  the rise may continue to be relatively slow for at least the next century or so, the scientists said, but sometime after that it will probably speed up so sharply as to become a crisis.. this is really happening, said thomas p. wagner, who runs nasas programs on polar ice and helped oversee some of the research.

  theres nothing to stop it now.

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  What should we do?
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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  MeanMrMustard

  scholar sounds like fun. we need more of those users around....

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