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  Does prophesy negate free will?

  by Tim207 in

  1. watchtower
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  not sure if this is in the right subject but here it goes.

  i’ve asked this question to a few elders and bethelites but they don’t seem to understand or like the question.

  to start off we have to agree that jehovah is all powerful.

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  MeanMrMustard

  MMM- You are missing the point.

  The god of xtian theism knows every single thing I will ever say, think or do in minute detail.

  Right.

  Therefore the book of my life from conception to death is already written in stone (the god of the WT chooses not to read the book - an irrelevant detail)

  I agree, the WT God chooses to see only parts of the future. It is somewhat confusing how He would choose the parts of the future to ignore without first having knowledge of those future parts, so as to not know them... but, as you say, irrelevant detail.

  Therefore I have no freedom to choose otherwise.

  But that is the modal logic fallacy described. So it is not missing the point. In short, just because God’s knows your decision, doesn’t invalidate your decision making ability. You could choose otherwise, in which case God would know that choice.
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  Has Anyone Had Chinese Food Lately?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  since this virus, i have noticed that nearly all of the take out joints in my area are closed.

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  MeanMrMustard

  All closed. The cat population is exploding.
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  Does prophesy negate free will?

  by Tim207 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not sure if this is in the right subject but here it goes.

  i’ve asked this question to a few elders and bethelites but they don’t seem to understand or like the question.

  to start off we have to agree that jehovah is all powerful.

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  MeanMrMustard

  To be honest, I am not sure what Joen was saying. I was responding to the thread question - does prophesy negate free will?

  I went back and read some of the previous comments too. You said this too:

  Every effort by theologians to combine foreknowledge and free will amounts to nothing but sophistry and hand waving.

  Why? What is being claimed is that the argument:
  

  1. Necessarily, P implies Q.
  2. P
  3. Therefore, necessarily Q.

  
  

  And that is a logic error. You can conclude, “Therefore Q”, but you can’t conclude “necessarily Q”. In other words, if God knows ABC will occur, it follows that ABC will occur, but not that it must necessarily occur. ABC may not occur, but then God would have known differently.
  

  Trying to reword - the causation is reversed. There is free will, the knowledge of the choice is there before the choice, but that doesn’t mean the choice was forced. The choice will happen, but if it were a different choice, the pre-knowledge would have been different.

  https://www.iep.utm.edu/foreknow/

  
  

  Forgot to add this source:

  https://www.reasonablefaith.org/podcasts/defenders-podcast-series-2/s2-doctrine-of-god-attributes-of-god/doctrine-of-god-part-14/
  
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  theory of wuhan virus being created in a lab now being considered by UK and USA and others.

  by JimmyYoung in

  1. social
  2. current

  i thought it was a strange coincidence that there was a weapons lab right near the supposed wet market where it started.

  china needs to pay for this one way or the other.

  https://www.foxnews.com/world/state-department-cables-coronavirus-origin-chinese-lab-bats.

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  MeanMrMustard

  Why did you duplicate the thread?
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  Theory of Wuhan virus being created in a viral lab now being considered

  by JimmyYoung in

  1. social
  2. current

  i thought it was a strange coincidence that there was a weapons lab right near the supposed wet market where it started.

  china needs to pay for this one way or the other.

  https://www.foxnews.com/world/state-department-cables-coronavirus-origin-chinese-lab-bats.

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  MeanMrMustard

  If it is a Chinese creation, why does it have to be a military operation? It could have been created in order to help study the mechanisms of other respiratory viruses emerging from the area for the purposes of developing vaccines. It could have been well intentioned, and it just got out.

  One thing we do know - if this is a Chinese creation, this is the longest anything made in China has ever lasted.
  
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  What Happened To This Year’s JW Memorial Celebration

  by minimus in

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  i really don’t know.

  did they have it?

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  We were sent the link to the event by other “concerned” family members. By that I mean family members that are convinced these are the last days of the last days...

  The in-laws thought it would be good to invite us over to watch the show. They said they purchased emblems. I assume they watched from the comfort of their living room, as they just stared at the bread and wine? Did they dress up for the occasion? No clue.
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  Does prophesy negate free will?

  by Tim207 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not sure if this is in the right subject but here it goes.

  i’ve asked this question to a few elders and bethelites but they don’t seem to understand or like the question.

  to start off we have to agree that jehovah is all powerful.

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  MeanMrMustard

  I am not sure why pre-knowledge would negate the free will in the choice. Just because someone knows what someone would choose doesn’t mean that person didn’t actually make the choice.
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  I am agreeing with Trump on the need to Nationalize issues that affect the entire nation.

  by RubaDub in

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  i'm generally not a trump fan but i do agree that things that affect the entire country should be handled in a centralized manner.

  trump is stating that he will dictate when the states can open up again.

  many governors, dems and reps, are fighting that saying that they have the power, not the president.

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  MeanMrMustard

  I'm generally not a Trump fan but I do agree that things that affect the entire country should be handled in a centralized manner.

  I am generally a Trump fan, but I disagree with him on this. It sets a horrible precedent. What is going to “affect the entire nation” next? Climate change? As time goes by, the power grabs are getting more alarming.
  
  
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  Theory of Wuhan virus being created in a viral lab now being considered

  by JimmyYoung in

  1. social
  2. current

  i thought it was a strange coincidence that there was a weapons lab right near the supposed wet market where it started.

  china needs to pay for this one way or the other.

  https://www.foxnews.com/world/state-department-cables-coronavirus-origin-chinese-lab-bats.

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  MeanMrMustard

  Kind of sad how this forum developed over the time.

  Translation: someone on the forum said something I don’t like, and because it’s no longer an echo chamber for my viewpoints, it is now a sad disappointment.
  
  
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  How Do You Get Most Of Your News?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  i read a lot on online.

  i regularly read fox news, the drudge report the new york post and local newspapers and local newscasts.

  where do you get most of your news from?.

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  MeanMrMustard

  I don’t really take any MSM sources seriously these days. I’m sorry, but they are more akin to The Onion, and if you approach them this way, it makes it more palatable.

  https://youtu.be/6_lLWEZSojM