Posts by ABibleStudent

the reaon im going is because when i got my mum to finally let me make my own decision about whether or not i want to be a jw she made me promise that i'd go to the memorial, assemblies and if she had a talk.

she's already told me that people have been asking for me and only a few people in my cong know that i dont think it's the truth.. when i was trying to leave a couple brothers really piled on the "encouragement" and i dread to think about what it will be like when they see me again.

ABibleStudent

Have fun at the Memorial, DuvanMuvan, Don't forget to partake of the wine and crackers! If you do, it may be the last Memorial that your mother invites you to. Remember that you are in the position of power, because you haven't gotten dunked.

If anyone, who you like, says that they missed you, just tell them to call you to play a game or two.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Roert

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I need help! Talk coming up and I need ideas fast!

by BU2B in

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omg i am so distressed.

i have a talk coming up on tuesday, it is the number 3 "abiram.

why opposing god appointed authority is tantamount to opposing god himself"!.

ABibleStudent

Excellant written talk!! Say it from the heart with feelings and convictions, and everyone hearing you will compliment you. You might even get lucky enough that the elders never ask you to give a talk again but not suspect you enough to form a JC. The quote from the Awake! is a nice touch.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Translating JWFacts to Spanish... Update?

by ILoveTTATT in

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as you all may know, it is an ongoing project to translate jwfacts to spanish.

given that there are more than 2 spanish-speaking jw's for every one that speaks english, it can be safely said that spanish is the #1 language in the jw world (even though everything is made originally in english).. the spanish-speaking jw's are harder to convince.

i attribute it almost 100% to socioeconomic factors.

ABibleStudent

Congratulations ILoveTTATT about completing JWfacts' blood doctrine webpage (and hopefully other webpages this year to celebrate the 100th anniversary of 1914)!!

IMHO www.verdadtj.com is a good webpage name, but I feel that it would be better to own that webpage and to redirect readers to www.jwfacts.com/ES or something similar for hopefully more language translations in the future. Let me know if jwfacts will except donations for purchasing web domain names.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

P.S. - Although translating JWfacts to Spanish is very, very important, be sure to enjoy your life too like taking pictures of nature and dating chicas.

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When a JW relative came to visit . . . .

by skeeter1 in

for those of you who are shunned, it is in disguise a blessing.

becuase when you are not shunned, jws come to visit.

it is the most tiresome hosting you will ever endure.. for the first 2 1/2 days, it was straight talk about "jehovah", the "organization", the "bible", then, "how bad these times are", "can't wait to see someone dead in the new world" .

ABibleStudent

Hi skeeter1, Have you thought about leaving a copy of Raymond Franz's books (i.e., "Crisis of Conscience" and "In Search of Christian Freedom") or Don Cameron's book (i.e., "Captive of a Concept") in the guest bedroom? I am willing to wage that those JW relatives will never bother you again.

Another option would be to invite someone else to stay in your guest bedroom for a week or convert your guest bedroom into an office, so that the JWs would have to stay in a local hotel. Your guest bedroom might be too attractive and comfortable for them to stay in a local hotel.

Peace be with you, and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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In need of advice...

by mobumpkin in

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hi i am new here thank you for letting me join.

i first of all want to say i am not here to bash the religion.

there are good people in the congregation but also bad ones.

ABibleStudent

Welcome mobumpkin, I'm sorry about how your sister is treating you and also your parents. Unfortunately, many JWs treat DF'ed and DA'ed JWs poorly, because of the WTBTS's shunning doctrine.

Were you and your sister close when you were a JW in good standing? If you were close, then may be her cult persona feels threatened and needs to over-compensate to keep her authentic persona in check.

Since you have close JW family and friends, you will never be free from JWs trying to coerce you to "return to Jehovah". Fortunately, you can do independent research of the WTBTS and how the WTBTS uses BITE control techniques to victimize JWs, so that you can heal emotionally and get rid of WTBTS induced phobias. Also, you may learn how to communicate more effectively with JWs so that they can critically think for themselves, instead of blindly following WTBTS's doctrines.

Have you read any cult-exit counselors' books, such as Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visited his website www.freedomofmind.com, and watched his FREE videos on his website? I would recommend watching the following videos on Steve Hassan's website: How Big is the Phenomenon of Undue Influence? (2:01) and Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23). Also, have you visited other reputable websites like www.jwfacts.com, www.watchtowerdocuments.com, www.jwsurvey.org, www.freeminds2.org, etc. to learn more about the WTBTS?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Chat with Elder and Mother

by awakening in

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my regular weekly chat with an elder who is trying to keep me on the straight and narrow amazed me!.

we were on the subject of jehovahs blessing.

i said its my mothers belief that jehovah has blessed her and the family over their years of faithful service.

ABibleStudent

Hi awakening, Have you tried to just ask JWs simple questions like Billy the Ex-Bethelite did in his thread exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed? I know that asking simple questions to help a JW's authentic persona to confront his cult persona is difficult - not impossible. It will get easier with practise and is easier than trying to convince JWs that they are wrong.

When you feel frustrated with telling JWs that they are wrong, look in the mirror and remember what Einstein said, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein". Then ask yourself, "Who is insane for debatting with a JW?", and try doing something different.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I need help! Talk coming up and I need ideas fast!

by BU2B in

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omg i am so distressed.

i have a talk coming up on tuesday, it is the number 3 "abiram.

why opposing god appointed authority is tantamount to opposing god himself"!.

ABibleStudent

Hi BU2B, I like your idea for the talk and it might also reduce your wife's suspicions.

I feel that you need a memorable punch line that maybe compares Moses times and feats to modern day religions like the Scientologists. Is it possible to mention the teachings of Jesus Christ in your talk? Something like, "Since we are Christians (or 'True Christians' to keep up the charade of being a JW) who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and do not follow false prophets like the Church of Scientology, we can tell the differences by the fruit of our leaders as Jesus taught us in Mt 7:15-20."

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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The great flood happened about 13,000 years ago....

by EndofMysteries in

i just learned this information the past couple of days but it seems it's been out the past couple of years.

many many articles about some asteroid/meteor event about 13,000 years ago.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-03/space-rock-impact-could-have-caused-ancient-cooldown-new-evidence-says.

ABibleStudent

IMHO just because there are flood myths around the world does not neccessarily mean that the "Great Flood" happened round the world at the same time. Is it possible that floods and tsunamis have occurred throughout history and around the globe, so that different civilizations created "flood" stories? Is it possible that early civilizations created "flood stories" to explain finding sea fossils around the globe and at higher elevations that were caused by geologic activity? Is it possible that flood and tsunamis occurred and that early civilizations created stories of a "Great Flood" to explain uncovered sea fossil remains after flood waters receded?

My point is that many civilizations having "flood myths" does not prove that the "Great Flood" occurred. It is unlikely that the "Great Flood" occurred around the world at the same time about 13,000 years ago because insufficient time would have lapsed between then and now to account for the diversity of modern humans. If it happened more than 1 million years ago, then I could not use the same justification to conclude that the "Great Flood" did not occur. According to Timeline of human evolution, (Archaic) Homo sapiens have been around for about 500,000 years.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Need advice, really wanna play COD

by DuvanMuvan in

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well my ps3 is downstairs because i had no idea how good games looked on tvs that weren't older than you are and i've run into a problem.

my mum doesn't know that i have "bad" games like cod, gta 5, legend of zelda and final fantasy (yeah ik last two aren't that bad but loads of religious stuff and magic) and it's getting harder to keep it a secret.. i was just wondering if anyone had any ideas on how i should go about this.

should i just wait a while and slowly introduce the idea to my mum that i play these games or should i just come out and play them and act like it'a nothing?.

ABibleStudent

Hi DuvanMuvan, Start working either as an animal or child sitter or handyman around the nieghborhood. Eventually transition to other forms of work, so that you can afford to buy a TV/computer for your room and to save money incase your Mum kicks you out for not going to the KH.

No matter what remember to be respectful to your Mum, whether she is a JW or not, and play less video games and make more real non-JW friends.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert