Posts by ABibleStudent

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Sometimes you just want to scream

by Separation of Powers in

well, i have been posting here on and off for a while now.

it is good to see the progress that so many have made.

i have appreciated your experiences, your humour, your struggles, etc.. as i sit here today, i realize that i have made progress as well.

ABibleStudent

Keep on ranting Separation of Powers it will help you to let go of those emotions and continue to help those who you love.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Family worship Ideas

by DS211 in

ok guys im getting sick of sitting around.. i read an article submitted on freeminds called .

how i helped my family leave jehovah's witnesses.

ok so in light of this i need some advice.

Hi DS211, First, read Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helpling Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beleifs") visit his website www.freedomofmind.com, and/or watch his videos on his website to learn about BITE control techniques that dangerous cults use. Next start studying the NT with your family and ask simple questions of your JW family to help them see that the Pharisees and Saducces used BITE control techniques to victimize JWs. There are a lot of examples, if you can switch how you interpret the Bible from your WTBTS's indoctrination. The main things to remember are to read from the begining of an NT book to the end, do not to preach to your JW family but to help them to critically think for themselves, and you can write additional threads asking for help about specific books of the NT.

Black Sheep wrote in another thread about also reading upcoming WTBTS propaganda to learn of ideas to emphasize in your Bible studies that might help your JW family to see the WTBTS uses the same BITE control techniques to victimize JWs.

Best of wishes helping your family to critically think for themselves.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Update on fading

by Skipper12 in

haven't posted anything here since my first post almost 5 months ago (you can read it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/255032/1/great-roi-successfully-fading#.uopjv-kdzyi), but i'm lurking around here almost on a daily basis.. short update:.

- all jw's on my part of the family are fully awake about ttatt and have fast-forwarded into 'fading mode'.

they are missing meetings, no longer go out in field service (but still send a fictious time slip at the end of the month), have missed the recent assembly.. - my father is now an ex-elder.

ABibleStudent

Congrats Skipper12 on helping your JW family to critically think for themselves and hopefully successfully fading with all of them.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Waiting for the JWs to come to my door...

by Hortenzie in

i read about the new tract distribution and thought to myself how should i react, when they come to my door.

finally today, after finishing my morning coffee, i got an idea!

i'll take the tract, look at it, look at them, and with a nice smile rip it up and hand it back to them with :"have a great day!

ABibleStudent

Hi Hortenzie, Why not tell them I have something for you too and write www.jwfact.com, www.jwsurvey.org, www.freeminds2.org, or www.freeedomofmind.com on the tract?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Wife and kids are officially OUT!!

by Oneoutallout in

my wife has told her jw best friend and jw sister that she is givng up the religion!!

and there was i worrying about losing her when i left the cult.

and, to top it all, my 15 and 13 year old children are using their critical thinking skills and can see it all for what it is.

ABibleStudent

Congratulations Oneoutallout that your wife and kids are critically thinking for themselves.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE

by EdenOne in

hello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.

i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.

introduction.

ABibleStudent

EdenOne - Actually, at some point during the article I state that when "disfellowshipping" is mentioned, it also includes those who have disassociated themselves.

Hi EdenOne, I must have overlooked that clarification about linking disfellowshipping and disassociation. It might help other readers for you to make that statement at the beginning of your article instead of some point during the article.

Since you link disfellowshipping and disassociation in your article, shouldn't you also expand the history of the WTBTS's shunning doctrine up to the 1980's when Freddie Franz was instrumental in changing the WTBTS's doctrine to ostracize Raymond Franz and his wife from other JWs? To me the 1980's doctrine change is important, because it proves to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the WTBTS is a dangerous cult.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Thank you LORD for "12 years a Slave"... I'll explain why in a minute

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

i have said that i am agnostic... and i am... but i still believe that there's someone out there looking out for me.... anyways... on sunday i think that something coming very short of a miracle happened:.

i got a chance to thoroughly investigate the topic of mind control with my mother, without her getting upset at all, and i managed to record the entire conversation.

it lasted about an hour.

ABibleStudent

Hi ILoveTTATT, I'm glad that you had a step of forward progress with your mother. Don't get discouraged when your mother takes 2-steps (or more) backwards. You are helping your mother to critically think for herself, and not running a sprint.

It is very interesting that you learned that non-JWs had a more positive effect on your mother's childhood than JWs. You should use that information everytime your mother uses WTBTS platitudes to praise how loving and caring that JWs are versus non-JWs. Asking simple questions about your mother will over time help her to deprogram herself. Just learn how to bring out your mother's authentic persona without inciting her cult persona.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE

by EdenOne in

hello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.

i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.

introduction.

ABibleStudent

Hi EdenOne, You did a good job of showing that many religions used/use shunning to coerce members, a brief description of the psychological effects to those shunned, and a brief history of how the WTBTS viewed shunning. I feel that the section about " Doctrinal Development and Scriptural Support" should also include a paragraph (or two) with WTBTS references about when the WTBTS started using closed door JC's to DF JWs instead of letting the congregation decide.

I'm currious why you did not try to seperate DA'ing from shunning also? If shunning DF'ed JWs cannot be supported by the Bible without twisting the scriptures, then shunning DA'ed and/or fading JWs cannot be supported either. If Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, what would Christians learn from reading John 6:60-70? If Jesus did not tell his 12 disciples to shun those disciples that left him, Why would Christian religions promote shunning members who no longer wish to follow the leaders of a religion?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Thinking of going back

by Laika in

jw
friends

someone talk some sense into me ffs..

ABibleStudent

Hi Laika, You are probably feeling grief about JWs who you miss. That is the power of BITE control!! Feelings of grief are like an ocean wave. Sometimes they crest and seem impossible to control.

I use to feel grief after my ex-wife divorced me. Sometiems it really sucked when the wave of emotions came crashing down on me. It took several years to fully overcome my feelings of grief. Now life is sooo much better without her and she only treated me worse after we divorced.

What do you like to do? Go out and meet new non-JWs instead of going back to the KH. Nothing has changed about the WTBTS that would change your initial feelings for leaving the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Overheard some JWs on the train today- going to be interesting this year

by lrkr in

cruising down to the city this afternoon we were behind a group of j-dubs on the train.

part of the conversation centered around the "generation" teaching.

all of them clearly trying to wrap their heads around it.

ABibleStudent

If a JW says "Where else will we go?", why not ask them 'Don't you mean " “Lord, to whom shall we go?" The Bible directs Christians to follow Jesus Christ (i.e., John 6:68) instead of an organization, so why do JWs follow imperfect men?'

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert