JRK I really do sympathise with you, I know how difficult it can be trying to do the right thing for your Mum. If she raised the subject herself that is a different matter to you raising it, and all I can say is, pick your words carefully and if she gets distressed or refuses to acknowledge what you are saying just let it be and go and pour yourself a stiff drink or something. Take care
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I am frustrated!
by JRK ini have been talking to my jw mother.
about all of my angst.. it totally flies over her head.. the un is no big deal.
the generation is no big deal.
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I am frustrated!
by JRK ini have been talking to my jw mother.
about all of my angst.. it totally flies over her head.. the un is no big deal.
the generation is no big deal.
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ambersun
I'm afraid I have to agree with lamallcool. My own mother is in her 80s and I am constantly biting my tongue to stop myself from saying something every time she states as fact that ALL the WT's Bible's predictions are coming true, and the end is very close now. She has waited patiently for so many years for armageddon and lives for the day she will be reunited with Dad in the resurrection. It would be extremely cruel to try to shatter her dreams at this stage of her life, it would break her heart and I could never live with myself.
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Human Ancestry Made Easy.
by whereami inthis video traces our migration out of africa and explains, through dna evidence, how humans colonized the world.
it is part of the made easy series of videos that show the evidence of our origins, from the big bang onwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdknzz9b6rg .
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ambersun
Thank you that was most informative and easy to understand.
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The Pressure Is On to Pioneer in April
by dontplaceliterature ini know there have already been a couple of threads posted about this, but i thought it made since to bring it up again.
i hadn't really heard any "oh my what a blessing, are you pioneering in april?
" talk right after the big announcement last month.
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He ACTUALLY SAID that "Armageddon is coming and if that's not incentive to do more in the service of Jehovah, I don't know what is."
He went on to point out that we should never be satisfied with what we are doing now, and should always be striving for more. He mentioned a talk on a District Convention from 1981 where these questions were asked:
"If you are a single person without Scriptural obligations, can you justify before Jehovah why you are not in the full-time service?"
"If you are a married couple without Scriptural obligations, can you justify why one or both of you are not in the full-time service?"
"If you are a retired person without Scriptural obligations, can you justify before Jehovah why you are not in the full-time service?"
Towards the end of the talk, he made a statement that really got my blood boiling. He said: "Would you expect The End to come when Jehovah has got more people than ever involved in the Pioneer work? Could it happen in April?"
As far back as the 1960s we were put under so much pressure from our parents and congregations to follow this directive. We were expected to give up any further education, careers or fulfilling jobs to devote all our time knocking doors as our lives were in danger if we did not do as we were told. Yet where does it actually say in the bible that Jehovah expects people to do this?
If any young JWs are reading this thread who are currently being pressurised against their better judgement to devote their lives to pioneering, please be assured this is nothing new. It is the same pressure they have used for over a century in fact. Back in the 60s we were told there would be plenty of time to do all the fun things in life 'in the New System' which was almost upon us and we were to devote every moment we could to the preaching work in case Armageddon came and caught us unawares.
Believe me, they will steal your youth off you, ruin your chances of getting a fulfilling job then you will reach 60 without a pension and realise you were conned. Don't let it happen!!!! Put your foot down and say NO while you have the chance.
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Did the aliens get Outlaw, after all?
by tec injust haven't heard from him lately.
maybe i've just missed his posts?.
tammy.
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Glad you are OK Outlaw and hope you get your communication back soon!!
It's certainly not the same here without your witty comments
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wife seen part of "dateline" online, about pedophile in JW land
by inbetween ina short update on my situation.. i am still in, trying to help my family to see the light.
my wife is open to critisize certain aspects of the wts, reads wt articles with a critical mind, but she still views them as gods org, and at times can get quit defensive about it.. last night though, she seemed devastated about a program she watched, reagrding pedophiles (dateline i guess).
she was very disturbed, even to the point of being depressed.
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My wife is open to critisize certain aspects of the WTS, reads WT articles with a critical mind
she was very disturbed, even to the point of being depressed.
Anyway, I get the impression, her mind is slowly opening up towards information outside the WTS literature, otherwise she would have such a program just clicked off.
Inbetween, it sounds to me that your wife is already well on her way to becoming concious of the truth about 'The Truth'. However, you are right to be cautious. It will no doubt be devastating for her to realise her life has been based round a lie for so long and she will have to come to terms with it in her own time and at her own pace.
Just be there for her to provide the support she needs, then when you feel the time is right introduce her to this site and others like JW Facts - that is if she has not found them for herself by then!
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Something to say next time the Witnesses call.
by fadinfast ini have just read in these following paragraphs something that would disturb my conscience, notice:.
12 they also saw that there are but two organizations in the universe and that everyone belongs either to god's organization or to satan's, the latter on earth being composed of big business, big politics and big religion.
34 the world's political wild beast rules supreme under the name-number 666, while big politics, big religion, and big business keep that wild beast functioning as an oppressor of mankind and a persecutor of god's people.
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respond with "yes I've seen another JW minister has been convicted in sex abuse against children"
Sadly, most JWs are conditioned to shut their mind against any deffamitory information from worldlings or apostates so to hit them with something as strong as this on the doorstep will just be like a bullet missing its mark and ricocheting off a nearby wall to most of them, unfortunately. There again, I suppose if it makes even ONE dub sit up and take notice, it is worth a try.
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Children Learning to Think Critically Aged Six!
by lifelong humanist inyesterday, i started a thread about learning how to thinking critically.. so, imagine my surprise when last night my eldest son phoned to say that his son, my grandson, wanted to speak with my wife and i about a project he had to do at his school.
he has just turned 6 years old.
the project involved asking his parents and then grandparents questions about how things when they were a similar age.. i said that i'd be happy to speak with him, and answer his questions as best i could.
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Sounds to me that his school are trying to get young minds thinking about more than just answers, but the reasons behind them - a bit more like discovering why we do what we do, and how it involves others...
That is brilliant!
Let's hope other schools are doing this too.
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What does the WTBS make of the growing muslim religon?
by highdose ini know they love to crow about the dwindling christindom churches but hey what about the muslim or buddist religons?
now these are growing alot and far more than the jw's.... how does that fulfill their profecies hey?.
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This is an interesting question.
they dont have answers for it
This is probably because the r&f are only able to provide answers that have been fed to them in the Watchtower. Obviously, there has not been a study article about it yet. I wonder if one is planned?
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A truly creepy 2007 public talk by Ciro Aulicino - You Will Be With Me in Paradise
by Tatiana ini searched for this here and didn't find any posts about it.
i just found this while searching for info as i was debating a jw on another site.
this is the most mind-blowing, spaced-out, insane bunch of mess i've ever heard.
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Ciro Aulicino's words are identical to the people who made more of 1975 than was actually published.
Yes, I know. That talk gives me the creeps as it takes me back to the late 1960s/early 70s when some of the talks were equally as gruesome and designed to create panic among the r&f so we would all work harder at peddling the WT literature from door to door hoping this would save us from being horrifically killed by Jah in the VERY near future. I used to have nightmares, especially after conventions.
I get really angry when the WT deny some of the things that were said, trying to make out it was all in our imaginations or that we read more into it that was actually implied!