Posts by wannabefree

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8 Year Old Getting Baptized!

by Atlantis in

eight year old getting baptized!

(from a jw site.

this 8 year old sister was the youngest of the 31 who were baptized at a regional convention in bogo city, cebu, philippines on the weekend.

I just had fun giving a talk!

by OneEyedJoe in

so, unfortunately, i'm still on the tms and had a talk tonight (in front of a co, no less) and the talk was on the subject of adultery.

in the source material there's reference to "spiritual adultery" i.e.

idolotry or when israel had alliances with pagan nations.

wannabefree

assigned a talk durning the visit of the C.O. ...... is there an appointment for OneEyedJoe in the near future?

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DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.

im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.

http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.

wannabefree

Concerning the dating of fossils from the same Awake!

I never thought them to be dogmatic on this issue, especially after this 1990 article. As far as religion goes, to me it seemed to be a fairly reasonable way to view the dinosaur issue (at the time and if you were to reconcile dinosaurs with the creation narrative). I think the 1990 Awake! was a different approach to the subject than the Watch Tower's past explanation. They seemed to allow the possibility that humans and dinosaurs didn't walk the earth together, but questioned the millions of years explanation of science.

*** g90 2/8 pp. 10-11 What Happened to the Dinosaurs? ***
The Dating of Dinosaurs
Dinosaur bones are regularly found in lower earth layers than are human bones, leading many to conclude that they belong to an earlier time period. Geologists call this time the Mesozoic period and subdivide it into the Cretaceous, Jurassic, and Triassic periods. The time frames used for these periods are on the order of tens of millions of years. But has this been established with any certainty?

One method being used to measure the age of fossils is called radiocarbon dating. This dating system measures the rate of decay of radioactive carbon from the point of death of the organism. “Once an organism dies, it no longer absorbs new carbon dioxide from its environment, and the proportion of the isotope falls off over time as it undergoes radioactive decay,” states Science and Technology Illustrated.

However, there are severe problems with the system. First, when the fossil is considered to be about 50,000 years old, its level of radioactivity has fallen so low that it can be detected only with great difficulty. Second, even in more recent specimens, this level has fallen so low that it is still extremely difficult to measure accurately. Third, scientists can measure the present-day rate of radioactive carbon formation but have no way of measuring carbon concentrations in the distant past.

So whether they use the radiocarbon method for dating fossils or other methods, such as employing radioactive potassium, uranium, or thorium, for dating rocks, scientists are unable to establish the original levels of those elements through ages of time. Thus, professor of metallurgy Melvin A. Cook observes: “One may only guess these concentrations [of radioactive materials], and the age results thus obtained can be no better than this guess.” That would especially be so when we consider that the Flood of Noah’s day over 4,300 years ago brought enormous changes in the atmosphere and on earth.

Dartmouth College geologists Charles Officer and Charles Drake further add doubt to the accuracy of radioactive dating. They state: “We conclude that iridium and other associated elements were not deposited instantaneously . . . but rather that there was an intense and variable influx of these constituents during a relatively short geologic time interval on the order of 10,000 to 100,000 years.” They argue that the breakup and movement of the continents disrupted the entire globe, causing volcanic eruptions, blocking sunlight and fouling the atmosphere. Certainly, such disruptive events could change radioactivity levels, thus distorting results from modern-day radioactive clocks.

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DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.

im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.

http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.

wannabefree

Awake! 2/8 1990 primarily focused on dinosaurs.

This sums it up in the final article.

*** g90 2/8 p. 11 What Happened to the Dinosaurs? ***
The Genesis Account and Dinosaurs
While the radioactive dating method is innovative, it is still based on speculation and assumption. In contrast, the Bible account in the first chapter of Genesis simply states the general order of creation. It allows for possibly thousands of millions of years for the formation of the earth and many millenniums in six creative eras, or “days,” to prepare the earth for human habitation.
Some dinosaurs (and pterosaurs) may indeed have been created in the fifth era listed in Genesis, when the Bible says that God made “flying creatures” and “great sea monsters.” Perhaps other types of dinosaurs were created in the sixth epoch. The vast array of dinosaurs with their huge appetites would have been appropriate considering the abundant vegetation that evidently existed in their time.—Genesis 1:20-24.
When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created by Jehovah for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time. They were no mistake, no product of evolution. That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time. Thus, the fossil record does not support the evolution theory. Instead, it harmonizes with the Bible’s view of creative acts of God.

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US Supreme Court rejects JW blood transfusion case.

by Emily24 in

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http://www.minbcnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=1129875#.vh1mijhf_ng.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2014/12/01/supreme-court-religious-beliefs-appeal/19734249/.

"washington (ap) -- the supreme court won't hear an appeal from the estate of a michigan woman who died following a kidney transplant after turning down a blood transfusion because of her religious beliefs.. the justices on monday let stand a state appeals court ruling that said the estate of gwendolyn rozier could not sue her doctors for negligence.. rozier received a kidney from her daughter in a 2007 surgery but doctors later found that her body was rejecting the organ.

wannabefree

IWontCallYouShirley "Realistically, the decision was NOT hers to make. WT made it for her, and not abiding by WT rules Re: refusing blood, carries heavy consequences for a JW, namely, expulsion from the group."

So true. Perhaps the estate should try a civil suit against Watch Tower for her premature death.

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The expression 'need greaters'. Anyone else heard this?

by jambon1 in

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my wife gets emails from someone who is serving in another country.. he keeps on referring to brothers/sisters who are 'need greaters'.. if they are actually using this expression then i have to say that it is the stupidest 'title' that they have ever dreamed up.

so full of their own self importance.. need greaters?..............

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wannabefree

For crying out loud!

My cousin is going on a "need greater" adventure. I saw this term on facebook and had to do a search and found this from three years ago. I also searched the term on bing http://www.bing.com/search?q=need+greaters

Has the Organization completely stopped sending missionaries?

This is a win/win for them. I know a few who are doing this in other lands. The Watchtower has no liability and no expense. They have to love this.

needgreaters exploiting exploiting amazon natives on youtube ... i wonder if they could wear their traditional clothing to a convention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54WVPJcDnQQ#t=105

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Why dont U.S. JW's Celelbrate Thanksgiving

by stan101 in

i remeber the old young people ask book had an entry that explained why each holiday was bad.

i was searching for it today on jw.org and it looks like the new young people ask has ommited that section.

im just curiouse why jw's dont celebrate the holiday..

wannabefree

I know many JW's that, well, perhaps don't celebrate, but participate.

When I was believing, I was able to justify sharing in the celebration with worldly family. I know many other JW's that would too. Other JW's that didn't celebrate with worldly family I know who would have pretty much everything that a typical Thanksgiving dinner would be. I have seen where often employers will give employees gift certificates for turkey, and many JW's take adavantage just like everyone else.

In fact, today I went to my worldly families for Thanksgiving. My wife and JW daughter with husband joined us. They are very much still in. We have done this for years. As long as we didn't skip out on the meeting our conscience could handle it.

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