getting baby crap on your suit before you have to give a talk at the KH
being perpetually semi retarded from the lack of sleep
i never had to think about what a massive predicament it is to be watching your 6 month old alone and having a massive dump come along that you know is going to take 10-15 minutes...especially if your child is being really fussy.. -sab.
getting baby crap on your suit before you have to give a talk at the KH
being perpetually semi retarded from the lack of sleep
i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.
i have no idea how to present my witnesses.
they've already agreed to show up.
It sounds as if it will be a throwback to the Spanish Inquisition. You are getting burned for what you believe
If I were in your shoes, I would ask the brothers:
"So you are going to disfellowship me, in essence take my family relationships away as well as my only friends away because I have doubts? There are many examples of faithful men in the scriptures who had sincere doubts at times. Jude mentions that the elders should snatch doubters out of the fire."
There is a good article that the elders often use in JC meetings that is entitled something to the effect of "determining weakness or wickedness". Look it up and see if you can help them to see that there is a lack of wickedness. I would make the case that you are struggling with doubts and were turning to your father for spiritual help. best of luck.
SIAM
Almost the same as disfellowshipped. I remember local needs parts counseling the congregation to limit any association with someone in that position.
SIAM
jw serving elders ... did any of you have to handle the part at the sm this week on why jehovah's witnesses are not a false prophet?.
this part made me livid.
our most corporate elder handled this part and i felt my self wanting to refute everything he said.
It makes me crazy that the reasoning book ignores Deut. 18:20-22. The references stop at vs 19 in making the argument that Jw's are not False prophets. The context of that scripture clearly proves that JW's are false prophets. Cherry picking at its worst.
SIAM
I like the term Boreans- they didn't blindly believe. We shouldn't be expected to.
SIAM
i came to the belated realization that the way the org is structured is simply based on the classic 1950's corporate model.
note the similarities.
they are just another failing business.. board of directors- governing body.
The thing that strikes me is how when you look at the operation from a strictly business standpoint (set aside the wrong teachings) it is being forced to change. The way of doing business that has worked in the past is no longer a viable solution. Most large corporations have had to retool operations and organizational structure in the past 20 years. WTS is well behind that curve. The last major organizational change was the elder arrangement in the 70's.
One thing that I see is just how the growth was exponential in the past 60 years and now is slowing, the future decline in publishers/hours/bs will also be dramatically exponential. The internet has shed some light on the WTS and allowed future/current/and past witnesses to see the truth about the truth. There are a number of elders and c/o's as well as bethelites that realize it is a sham as is evidenced on this board. There is cancer within and the WTS does not realize it.
Think about it. The more people that stop publishing, mean that there is a future convert production loss in that is not yet realized. This inevitable decline is going to be fun to watch.
SIAM
i came to the belated realization that the way the org is structured is simply based on the classic 1950's corporate model.
note the similarities.
they are just another failing business.. board of directors- governing body.
I came to the belated realization that the way the org is structured is simply based on the classic 1950's corporate model. Note the similarities. Can you think of more? They are just another failing business.
Board of Directors- Governing Body
Regional VP's- District Overseers
Middle Management- Circuit Overseers
Supervisors- Elders
Line Staff- Publishers
Annual Meetings- District Conventions
Annual reports- Yearbook
Personnel Manual- OM book
Terminations- Disfellowshipping
Dress Code- Dress Code
Performance Evals- Shepherding calls
Internal Training Program- TMS
Weekly Staff Meetings- Watchtower Study
Career Path Opportunities- Bethel, MTS, Gilead
Promotional Opportunities- Pio, Elder, Servant
Employees turn in time cards- Field Service report
Any other similarities?
SIAM
resigned as an elder last week.
briefly this is my story.
i was raised as a witness in the 60s and 70s.
Thanks for your experience Let's Think. You and I have a lot in common in terms of where we are in our journey. How were you able to resign as an elder? I have a fantasy of taking my flock book, cross shredding it and dumping it in the middle of the KH library table during an elders meeting, telling the other brothers "I Quit !"
Welcome to the Board. It's nice to see that there are a few of us.
SIAM
i have from a safe source that the bethel branch office in austria, ireland, italy and switzerland are closing down in the near future.
most of the business will be taken care of from the german bethel.
nothing is said thru official channels yet, but there is no reason to doubt my source.. can anyone tell more about this topic?.
It is funny how the GB wants to have it both ways, back in the 80's and 90's when the branches were being built ..."look at the tremendous expansion of Kingdom interests, this is truly proof of Jehovah's blessing!
Now with the branches closing and some being sold off, "Jehovah is blessing the work so much, with so much growth that we need to consolidate branches to provide added organizational efficiency"
Closing of branches is a sign that the wheels are starting to come off of the bus. The first thing a corporation does when it is in trouble is to cut the non performing divisions/branches.
SIAM
what situation(s) got you out of the organization, either mentally or physically or both?
what was your "last straw"?.
Still in, but working my way out. The things that got me thinking were; changing doctrines, doing the math on the 144,000, seeing how the WTS is simply a religious corporation not backed by God, watching two friends die due to the blood issue. The biggest has been the generation change.