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Transcript of Rutherford et al vs United States (appeal) 1919
by MrMonroe injim penton's book apocalypse delayed has an intriguing reference at pg.
323 to testimony jf rutherford gave in 1918 (though he may have erred there with regard to the date).. he wrote that the proclaimers book contained a number of "outright falsehoods that have become part of watch tower mythology.
it argues, as have many watch tower publications in the past, that the reason jf rutherford drove four watch tower society directors from office in july 1917 is that they opposed the publication of the book the finished mystery, which he had personally authorised.
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Once the Org has its claws in you ...
by MrMonroe inalmost three years after quitting meetings, and receiving only the most minimal, perfunctory interest from one elder (one visit six months later and no questions or expressions of interest from the congo members we thought were our "friends") i received a phone call last night from that elder, demanding an explanation for a recent action of mine.
i told him i had no interest in discussing my actions with him and that it was strange that after three years of silence only now has he contacted me for a "chat", because he has taken offence at something.
(so much for looking for the lost sheep ... remember the nov 15, 2008 wt study articles, ""help those who stray from the flock?
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Australia: Ramifications of government watchdog's ruling on Scientology's use of unpaid laborers
by MrMonroe infair work australia, the government industrial law agency, has ruled that the church of scientology broke australian law by requiring employees to work long hours for as little as $10 a week.
the church's defence was that because it is a religious entity, its workers are not employees, but volunteers.. which all sounds a bit familiar!.
the agency also found that "a significant level of control and direction was applied to workers by more senior church members who hold positions of authority".
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Ray Franz's last years
by MrMonroe incan someone please tell me a little about ray franz's activities in the last 10 or 20 years.
did he speak at seminars or conventions, and if so, whose and how often?
did he receive much correspondence and did he reply?
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New book by George Chryssides
by MrMonroe inenglish religious academic george chryssides, who has previously written books and academic papers on the jws and other new religious movements, has a new 300-page book out, jehovah's witnesses: continuity and change.
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some of his earlier writings have been a bit too sympathetic towards the jws, so i'm wondering if anyone has seen this book .
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Insightful quote on blind devotion ... but what was it exactly?
by MrMonroe ini have the feeling it was ray franz who wrote it, but search as hard as i can, i can't find it!.
there is a quote in the pile of books i have about the jws that says something along the line of ... it's forgiveable that you may be sucked in to something you come to believe in, but there is no excuse for refusing to ask questions and discover the truth about something.. it was obviously applied to the blinkered view most jws have about their organisation, therefore it is very hard to have sympathy for them being trapped in a high-control cult.
they have the option to examine opposing views and put them to the test, but simply refuse to entertain such thoughts.. it was a succinct, punchy quote; it was probably ray franz, but could have been jim penton, don cameron or james beverley.
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Interesting development in Victoria: Is this where Govt acts on Working With Children Checks?
by MrMonroe inas has previousy been noted, steven unthank gave a commendable presentation to the victorian government's inquiry into protecting vulnerable children, pointing out that the watch tower society had refused to require jws to apply for working with children checks.. the victorian attorney-general seems to have taken particular notice of this and the attempts by religions -- notably the catholic church and jewish sects (both of which have been accused recently of shielding sex offenders) , but also presumably the jws -- to evade their responsibilities.
here's a story in today's age:.
catholic sex abuse inquiry on holdthe state government has put on hold a public inquiry into sexual abuse by catholic clergy, hoping some key questions can be addressed by another current inquiry into protecting vulnerable children.. state attorney-general robert clark has received at least five different calls in the past two months for an independent inquiry into the church's handling of abuse complaints.. a spokesman said yesterday the government would defer a decision until the report of the protecting victoria's vulnerable children inquiry, due on january 27.. he said the inquiry's chairman, philip cummins, had said that while it was not investigating child sexual abuse within religious bodies in general, it might report on three particular issues:.
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Wanted: Info on TV doco on the JWs in the late 1990s, possibly Canadian
by MrMonroe indoes anyone remember this?
i saw it on australia's sbs, probably 1997/98.
i remember i stayed home from the meeting to watch it and it was very depressing viewing, very discouraging!!
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The type of publicity the WTS craves
by MrMonroe in"odd spot" in our newspaper the age today:.
"a salvation army worker who handed in $125,000 that fell from an armoured truck in california has picked up a $5000 reward.
joe cornell, who was unsure whether to give back the sack of money, said: "i went down there carrying the bag like i was santa claus.
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JWTalk forum
by MrMonroe ini can't get into that last thread about what's happening on jwtalk.net.
and you obviously need a password to get into their forum.. what's the general tenor of the discussion?.
i'm interested in another thread there as well, in which someone has asked about the reliability of jw articles on wikipedia.