Posts by MrMonroe

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Is this true? We're not and never have been JW's??

by Muddy Waters in

(i posted this on another forum, but am reposting here to see what you all think!

thank you for bearing with me.

.... in one book, "the watchtower's coming crisis" by daniel rodriguez (amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/watchtowers-comin ... 606&sr=1-4 ).

MrMonroe

Only in 1937, (WT November 1) did the society declare that JWs with an earthly hope could be described as Christian. The March 1, 1930, WT had said, "Since 'Christ' means the anointed of God, it is manifestly true that no one can properly be termed a Christian who is not in Christ and who has not received the anointing."

So, once again, the "truth" (the manifest truth, no less!) turned out to be wrong. Shucks, God must have just loved pulling their legs. ("Here's some new light via the Holy Spirit. Oh, just kidding!")

Don't know about the suggestion that only the anointed could be called JWs though.

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Merry Christmas to you all!

by Retrovirus in

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friends

it's christmas morning here in victoria, australia, and as usual i'm the first one awake.. hope you all have a wonderful day with family and friends!

enjoy!.

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MrMonroe

PM for you Retrovirus.

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Merry Christmas to you all!

by Retrovirus in

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friends

it's christmas morning here in victoria, australia, and as usual i'm the first one awake.. hope you all have a wonderful day with family and friends!

enjoy!.

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MrMonroe

Presents all open here in Melbourne .... the meeting has just started down the road. I wonder how many times the word "pagan" will be muttered before and after the meeting by the jealous brothers and sisters.

I also wonder how many will miss the meeting today becase they'd rather be somewhere else ...

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Why don't JWs do much in the way of charity work?

by ilikecheese in

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so i argue with the boyfriend a lot about the fact that i think charitable work is every bit as important as preaching when it comes to serving god.

every church i've ever gone to has some sort of community outreach, if not several outreaches, that have little or nothing to do with preaching.

and i made the point that if these people know you're affiliated with a church, they'll think a little more kindly about christians, too, which would help in the whole witnessing arena.

MrMonroe

Witnesses in general are quite selfish, partly the result of a constant background of warnings by the WTS (as Blondie showed) about giving money to charities that will only waste it. People pick up on those nuances and realise that, if the WTS disapproves of charities, they may as well keep the money to themselves.

The WTS pushes this line about the new system solving everything, which means:

(a) Even if your money helps some people now, they're only going to die soon anyway at Armageddon;

(b) You don't need to bother your conscience about people suffering because God can see them and is doing nothing abut it and in a way they're just collatoral damage in the battle between God and the Devil and after Armageddon no one willl ever think about them again; and

(c) The way to really help people is go witnessing more and to get them to become JWs so they'll survive Armageddon.

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What is Knorr's legacy?

by drewcoul in

i was wondering, i am aware of most of the presidents of the wts being a born in.

i am familiar with how it started with ct russell and the tumultuous takeover by jfr.

i grew up in the franz era and left about 2001 (although not mentally out until finding this forum a year and a half ago).

MrMonroe

Drewcoul, I think you're right. Franz was the theologian and Knorr the organiser. The Watchtowers placed a great deal of emphasis on how the numerical growth of the religion, as well as the expansion of real etate, were proof that Jehovah was blessing the org. Rutherford, by contrast, seemed to care much less about how many were in the org: he was right and that was that. Maybe Knorr needed the numbers to prove him right.

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WT february 2012

by Lady Viola in

i just downloaded the studie wt and i really thought 'did i download the right wt or is this the simplied wt?

' i felt i was reading 'my book of bible stories'!!

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MrMonroe

It had an article in there about obeying the Governing Body. So it must have been The Watchtower.

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When You See A Witness What's Your First Reaction?

by minimus in

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i saw a few mindlessly working a neighborhood as i was driving the other day.

they looked so unhappy, just walking in baby steps, looking like zombies..

MrMonroe

Mixed feelings: revulsion and pity. While driving home one Tuesday night a couple of weeks ago we saw a family of them leaving their home in their suits, obviously heading off to the meeting. I just look at them and think, "What a waste of their time." And they just don't realise it.

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TRY AGAIN - QUESTION: HOW HAVE FRANZ'S BOOKS HELPED YOU?

by binadub in

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friends

apologies all.

my questions did not appear in the body of the first post and i didn't know the reason.

thanks leavingwt for informing me that another drawback of the new internet explorer is that it is not compatible with jwd.

MrMonroe

1) How have Franz's books influenced (or not) you? Also Carl Olof Jonsson's and Jim Penton's?

Franz's books influenced me greatly. My wife and I stopped going to meetings after reading COC. Franz's second book, as well as Penton's and others, confirmed that my decision was the right one.

2) Do you understand Jonsson's chronology arguments and their effect on the parousia doctrine?

Vaguely, but I'm not interested in exploring the subject deeply. I know enough of the WTS lies to know that proving them wrong on 607 is immaterial.

3) Would you like an alternative religion to the Watchtower organization? If so, what do you think it should offer?

No. I still believe in God but want no religion. That one was more than enough.

4) Are you familiar with Channel C.

Never heard of it.

5) What do you think is the most influencial medium for JWs leaving the religion? Forums like this? Books? Other exJWs?

Probably the internet.

6) Do you know who the current WT leaders are?

I read their names occasionally on JWN, but I don't care enough to memorise them.

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Not just elders in Victoria who need wwc

by Mattieu in

in reference to the comments that it should not just be the elders getting the working with children check in victoria, i just caught up with my mate who is still an elder and his 2 buddies (who were also elders), one who turned out to be the p/o (sorry, still stuck with the old lingo).

3 elders and a so called apostate, and yes we were all drinking beers, ok, i wasnt, that nz sav blnc was too good to pass up.... the direction from bethel is that all elders/ m/s's and pioneers in victoria have to get the wwc, so its not just for elders.. the deadline for all elders, ms's and pioneers to get this check passed a few weeks ago.

in my mates congo, there was still a few m/'s and pioneers who had not yet submitted their application yet as well as 1 elder.

MrMonroe

In the interests of transparency, it's time the WTS put all this correspondence on their website. Unless they have secrets, that is. Honest to God, they are fixated with the idea that they have enemies out to get them and need to tell lies and hide stuff even from their "brothers". If God is on their side, surely they can rise above that?

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Not just elders in Victoria who need wwc

by Mattieu in

in reference to the comments that it should not just be the elders getting the working with children check in victoria, i just caught up with my mate who is still an elder and his 2 buddies (who were also elders), one who turned out to be the p/o (sorry, still stuck with the old lingo).

3 elders and a so called apostate, and yes we were all drinking beers, ok, i wasnt, that nz sav blnc was too good to pass up.... the direction from bethel is that all elders/ m/s's and pioneers in victoria have to get the wwc, so its not just for elders.. the deadline for all elders, ms's and pioneers to get this check passed a few weeks ago.

in my mates congo, there was still a few m/'s and pioneers who had not yet submitted their application yet as well as 1 elder.

MrMonroe

Oh, and Mattieu, you have a PM.