MrMonroe

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  That crazy FDS and the GB connection...or lack thereof.

  by Aussie Oz in

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  the whole fds and the gb representing them is a huge jump of impossible logic.... if the wt do not by their own admission, count the annointed nor know how many real ones there are, if they dont consult the remaining ones, the faithful slave how the hell can the gb 'represent' them?.

  i mean, how can i for example tell the world that i represent the people of my town in parliment if not only have they never met me, i have never so much as asked one single towns person anything?

  if i don't even know how many people live in my town?

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  Meanwhile ... What blogs and what websites?
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  The Faithful and Discreet Slave - A JW Myth

  by 00DAD in

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  2. friends

  probably this topic has been dealt with before, but i'm relatively new here, so perhaps y'all will be willing to indulge me in my pursuit for clarity.

  regarding the anointed, the gb recently said this: .

  "we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.

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  Because they believe the first myth -- that God directs and leads their organisation -- they then, of necessity, believe that anything it says is true.
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  Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. child-abuse

  this is a preliminary summary only.

  i hope to obtain more details later.. .

  all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.

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  I still don't get why there wouldn't be a transcript. Isn't there ALWAYS a transcript in all court sessions?

  No.
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  Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is a preliminary summary only.

  i hope to obtain more details later.. .

  all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.

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  Of course there will be a transcript. The June 8 meeting had a transcript, and so do depositions, so why wouldn't these hearings?

  What took place on June 8 was a publlic hearing by the Victorian government's inquiry into protecting vunerable children. It had nothing to do with the magistrates court. No one in the magistrates court in Morwell will have been recording the conversations for a transcript.
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  Definition of "Negativity" according to JWs

  by LongHairGal in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i recently had a falling-out with a jw which i won't go into because it is nonsense really.

  in one of the pathetic retorts i was told i was "negative".

  this wasn't the first time i heard this from a jw over the years.. what i have noticed is that it is because i spoke about real life situations in the world and/or problems and wrong things in the religion.

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  The Watchtower has always warned against the "dangers" of negative speech, so naturally the drones will go to extreme measures to comply. Essentially it's just another control tactic to ensure people are made to feel BAAAD if they ever criticise the authority structure or one of the WTS's methods. Because ultimately it's not the idiots running the show you're criticising, you're actually finding fault with God!

  Years ago, after the Revelation Climax book came out, I was having a discussion with an elder who was a bloody moaner himself, always complaining in coded language about the way the other elders treated him. I mentioned some minor criticism about the Revelation book and he suddenly leapt down my throat and said I was being critical.

  After a while you just don't bother raising any criticism -- whether it's the boring, repetitive meetings and assemblies or the pointlessness of spending hours in the field service for no constructive purpose. There'll always be someone who starts sooking and accuses you of being negative and then word will get around that you're a "murmurer" and "complainer".
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  Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is a preliminary summary only.

  i hope to obtain more details later.. .

  all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.

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  The material above is not a transcript. It is the observations of someone in the court for the purposes of Unthank's website.
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  Here's a good one the Jehovah's witnesses are worse than Nazi's

  by Star tiger in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm not sure if this is a controversial subject or not, i suspect it is, the 1936-1945 nazi regime were the most evil b*****d's in the world and thankfully were destroyed, however the jehovah's witnesses having sufffered under their rule, then became even more evil not by destroying the person's physical life, but destroying their way to god, if a person leaves then they become dead to god, and this from a second rate publishing company!

  please don't think i'm being flippant about all the suffering and death the nazi's caused, but as we are most of us spiritual people, surely the witnesses caused a catastrophy in the post 1945 era.. best regards,.

  star tiger .

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  The Watch Tower leadership certainly acts in a manner that resembles totalitarian states, in which information is controlled and members are stirred into activity to pursue a common goal achieved through unity of thinking. They clearly identify their enemies and encourage members to hate them. They also require unquestioning obedience.

  It's an ideology, a belief generated by the cultish conviction that they alone are God's "organisation" and are acting on God's instructions.

  Hitler had a worldview as well, but it was driven by a maniacal belief that Jews were the cause of the world's evils. He saw them as inhuman beasts and had no conscience about exterminating them en masse. There's the difference.

  I'm reading a chilling book at the moment, Saul Friedlander's Nazi Germany and the Jews, which includes accounts of the cold and dispasionate mass murder of tens of thousands of Jews at a time in 1941: men and women alike were ordered to strip naked, lie face-down in a pit or on top of dead or dying Jews before they were shot with a single bullet to the head from a distance of two metres. The soldiers worked in long shifts to carry out their work.

  As much as I hate the WTS, I would never suggest that they would do the same. There's a limit to Star Tiger's analogy, but there are certainly some common elements.
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  Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is a preliminary summary only.

  i hope to obtain more details later.. .

  all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.

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  I doubt there would be a transcript. It wasn't a trial, it was a mentions hearing, which is purely administrative process, setting dates for the next hearing and working out where it fits in the legal system.

  It's quite possible someone from the WTS side made a reference to the FDS being a theological arrangement -- they are happy to use the words "theolological" and "denomination" when they're forced to in a legal setting but avoid using them in their literature because it demeans their sense of divine appointment.

  However I don't for a moment think that they would have referred to it as an imaginary friend. The rest of the quote referring to "a well placed mind placement" etc is clearly the thinking of someone who is an opponent of the WTS, possibly lifted from a web forum.
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  Vin Toole at work: How much of JWs donations are spent on legal challenges?

  by MrMonroe in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this talk of vin toole's involvement in the steven unthank case in victoria reminded me of a legal case back in 1999 that went all the way to the high court of australia.. in february 1998 a 20-year-old sister named sherin qumsieh gave birth in a melbourne hospital.

  complications developed, she required an emergency hysterectomy and began suffering severe blood loss.

  she had signed a blood card, but the hospital warned her husband, nidal, that there was a high likelihood she'd die if she didn't have a transfusion.

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  wha happened: At the Supreme Court challenge he (or the WTS) presented expert medical advice that his wife's condition wasn't as bad as he'd been told and also that evidence had been withheld from the Guardianship Board that showed that his wife had signed the No Blood card. Notwithstanding the fact that it as he who had approached the lawyers in the first place, he put it to the court that he had been intimidated and pressured by the hosoital into doing what he did.

  As opposed to other patients who are pressured by the WTS Hospital Liaison Committees to refuse blood.

  The Supreme Couirt, as I mentioned, decided the Guardianship Board hadn't erred, but had simply made the best decision based on the evidence it had before it in what it believed was a llife-threatening situation.

  I remain intrigued by what they think now: Do they still regret taking that action to save her life? Are they still Witnesses?
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  WORLDS APART~TEEN JW MOVIETONIGHT ON SUNDANCE @ 7 EST.

  by AK MCGRATH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just flipping through the channels to find something for the woman i care for to watch, and i came across a movie tonight on the sundance channel called, "worlds apart".

  it is about a jehovah's witness teen who falls in love with someone who is not.. although i can't watch it now, i am taping it.

  i couldn't look to see if it is a documentary of sorts, but i bet it will be interesting to say the least.. it's on at 7 pm tonight, eastern.

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  The concept and storyline is good and accurate, though I was puzzled at the beards and open shirts and a convention at which everyone sat on the grass. Artistic licence perhaps.