Posts by Quillsky

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Want a laugh - Message from Facebook User

by cantleave in

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i received this in my fb messages today.. "what a sad,sad individual you are.

and all your apostate pals.

you really do need to open your eyes and see whats happening in the world.

Quillsky

I don't Facebook so I hafta ask; can anyone leave you a message? or was that someone you had 'friended'?

I'm gonna hafta join FB just so I can understand what they hell ya'll are talking about when ever the subject comes up...

Undercover, the default privacy setting is that anyone can send you a private message, and most people leave it like that. But you can also adjust your privacy so that non-friends can't message you. What not a lot of people know (Cantleave - bear this in mind please, since you have now responded) is that once you send a non-friend a message then for a period of time, I think it's a month, they can see your full profile, even if it's set to be visible to friends only. Join FB, it's fun!! When you're there do a search for JW C@fe and exJW C@fe - they are both good for a laugh.

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The Hospital Liaison Committee

by Quillsky in

please post any experiences with the hlc here.

have you ever interacted with them?

are your relatives members of the hlc?

Quillsky

Please post any experiences with the HLC here. Have you ever interacted with them? Are your relatives members of the HLC? And my big questions are....

DOES the Hospital Liaison Committee put patients under pressure not to accept whole blood transfusions?

DOES the Hospital Liaison Committee present details on ALL blood fraction options that are currently "allowed" by Jehovah's Witnesses to doctors, patients and their family members? (I certainly haven't yet been able to find the "complete JW's guide to blood fractions" online.)

And since accepting blood is not a disfellowshipping offense according to the Watchtower Society (yeah right?), DOES the Hospital Liaison Committee report acceptance of transfusions, of any kind, back to the patient's congregation or to the Watchtower Society?

This quote is from the site ..... http://www.noblood.org/news-hot-topics-such-hepatitis-c-sars-aids/6362-call-new-approach-transfusion-refusals.html

Obstetrics professor Deirdre Murphy said hospital staff often became uncomfortable when members of the Jehovah’s Witness hospital liaison committee came into the hospital. The perception was that they were putting the patient under pressure.

I would like to understand the role of the HLC more fully. I also hope Google picks up on this thread so that whatever facts or experiences people post here may be spread more widely to JW families facing the blood issue.

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Pedophiles in your congregation??

by ziddina in

i'm listening to the "six screens of the watchtower" broadcast from october 25, 2008 [yeah, i know, i'm waaay behind...], discussing pedophilia... that broadcast caused me to look up the current status of 'pedophilia notification' in the u.s.a..... rebel8 posted a link sometime back that gave locations of pedophiles in one's (u.s.a.) neighborhood... that portion of the link is, unfortunately, not working right now.... i decided to check out my [old] site, http://www.nsopw.gov/core/offendersearchcriteria.aspx to see if it still functioned the same way.... again, unfortunately, that site is also no longer giving out maps of one's area.... but, as pointed out in rebel8's posted link, pedophiles tend to move around.

this was also mentioned in the six screens broadcast by a lady named "lilly".... the new versions of both sites simply allow one to input the name of someone suspected to be a pedophile... not as effective, imo, but perhaps the cost of updating the maps due to pedophiles' high mobility became prohibitive.. so, here's my suggestion... using the 'name' search function, check out every name in .

your congregation, starting with the elders!!!.

Quillsky

Not all sex offenders are pedophiles. Actually, some of them may simply be some poor slob who drank some beer and then chose the wrong place to urinate, only to find himself on the sex-offender look-up for indecent exposure.

So Stillin, did that happen to you? Seems you're justifying, can't quite put my finger on why but your post seems a bit off somehow.

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So.....do you or don't you want them to come after you?

by Quillsky in

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i've noticed an interesting dichotomy in these discussions.

as a starting point, i understand that we are all different --- there is no "we" here except that we have all been, or been involved with, jw's.

but this is interesting..... some people complain about being "hounded" by elders and shepherding calls and previous "friends" and so on.

Quillsky

I think what I've learned from all the responses after starting this thread is that most people feel .... No, I would not want them to try and drag me back ... , but Yes, I would want some acknowledgement of what I contributed to their lives..

However it doesn't work like that in a cult, does it?

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Do "Thousands of JWs die each year" because they refuse blood? I say YES!

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/musings-of-a-watchtower-insider/thousands-die-each-year.htm l. this blog article is solely my personal opinion, but i have tried to present important material for your consideration because i believe that one life lost to this blood-ban is one too many and there have too many deaths since 1945 and it's time something is done about it.

however you think on the subject, just wait until you read the conclusion of my blog article.

oh, by the way, all points of view are important to me and most welcome so i look forward to reading them here on jwn .

Quillsky

Please don't create a red herring about the risks of taking blood - this is not the argument here.

Thanks Besty, I'd like to second that.

Please note this, all apologists.....

1. The official Society publications have never claimed that they don't accept blood because of the risks or dangers. EVER.

Some publications have mentioned risks in their commentary, but never as a reason for the ban. The reason is always the animal blood law to the Jews and then the apparent confirmation in the post-Christ scriptures.

2. An objective medical observation is that the lifespan advantages of being a recipient of current transfusion methodologies FAR outweigh the lifespan risks or dangers of diseases transported by blood.

Hence pulling out the "risk" argument....

Firstly doesn't even support the Society's stance on, or reason for, the ban on transfusions, and...

Secondly is false from a medical perspective.

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How Did YOU Finally Leave The Organization?

by minimus in

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was it a long process?.

is it still ongoing?.

did you have a long range plan?.

Quillsky

These single perverts all starting turning around in their seats and grinning at us, as in "are you listening girls". I got up out of my seat and blurted out loud "I'm tired of this shit!", and walked right out the door. I left all of my literature right on the floor and never went back.

I love this, well done Sister RebeccaChi!

(Umm, you and WTWizard obviously had diametrically opposed reasons for leaving.)

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So.....do you or don't you want them to come after you?

by Quillsky in

jw
friends

i've noticed an interesting dichotomy in these discussions.

as a starting point, i understand that we are all different --- there is no "we" here except that we have all been, or been involved with, jw's.

but this is interesting..... some people complain about being "hounded" by elders and shepherding calls and previous "friends" and so on.

Quillsky

I've noticed an interesting dichotomy in these discussions. As a starting point, I understand that we are all different --- there is no "we" here except that we have all been, or been involved with, JW's. But this is interesting....

Some people complain about being "hounded" by elders and shepherding calls and previous "friends" and so on. They want this communication to STOP.

Others complain that after they stopped attending meetings nobody called, nobody wrote, nobody came to visit.... they complain.... "where is the LOVE???!"

So what do you want? JW elders and "the friends" to come after you or to leave you alone?

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The trouble with fading as your leaving strategy

by eyesthatsee in

whatever your chosen strategy for leaving jws, the fundamental truth is that there is no clean / simple exit.

the mind control, the manipulation of normal family relationships etc will make any strategy very difficult at times.

the key issue is to know this ahead of time and be prepared, as best you can.. we've all chosen leaving strategies acording to our personal circumstances, preferences and learning from others.

Quillsky

I had a perfect fade!!! I had turned in time for years until the CO said that I could not turn in time unless I came to the meetings. I had always allowed the elders to come over as well. I was almost invisible, until I was OFICIALLY Inactive, after not turning in time. This despite never going to the hall in 4 or 5 years....

Okay SouthCentral, I just don't get this. Sorry, it doesn't sound anything like a perfect fade to me.

Were you doing field service for 4 or 5 years and never going to meetings in that time? That seems very odd to me. What kept you going out in service for so long? That doesn't sound like a fade. (And where did you get your magazines and publications from?)

Or did you report FAKE hours for 4 or 5 years? If so, WHY???? What did you achieve by doing that? Who did you impress? Clearly nobody in the congregation since you weren't attending meetings for 4 or 5 years.

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The trouble with fading as your leaving strategy

by eyesthatsee in

whatever your chosen strategy for leaving jws, the fundamental truth is that there is no clean / simple exit.

the mind control, the manipulation of normal family relationships etc will make any strategy very difficult at times.

the key issue is to know this ahead of time and be prepared, as best you can.. we've all chosen leaving strategies acording to our personal circumstances, preferences and learning from others.

Quillsky

(The following comments are directed at people that have decided to leave for ethical or doctrinal reasons, and not because of having committed some "disfellowshippable" offense. If they've got you for something then a whole different strategy may be required.)

I understand the inherent nobility in disassociating yourself, and my hat off to all the DA'ed people here for taking a principled stand. But the bottom line is that you will always be treated the same as a DF'ed person....... not good for the family.

So I still believe in the Fade®, and especially the QuickFade™ rather than the SlowFade™. There may be a degree of dishonesty involved in most fades when they pursue you, but the QuickFade™ minimizes the time spent in avoidance, smudging of reality and dodging.

If you're doing a QuickFade™ the best TruthSmudger™ is "I'm not feeling very spiritual at the moment, and I've got a lot going on [if pressed, vaguely mention health/work/financial pressures]". Moving house also helps a lot, but is not always practical. (What a cult this is that we have to move house to get away from them.)

Living in the same home as a current JW does make it more of a challenge, and it would help a lot to have your partner on your side. Total honesty is a good thing in this situation, if your partner is not a disloyal turncoat type.

The other advice I have for any Fade®, but especially my recommended QuickFade™ is..........

1. Avoid any meetings with two elders, shepherding calls and so on. If you are cornered into one of those then 2. BEWARE OF THIS QUESTION: "Do you consider yourself one of Jehovah's Witnesses?" It's a DF trap. Immediately employ the TruthSmudger™ above, "I'm not feeling very spiritual at the moment, and I've got a lot going on [if pressed, vaguely mention health/work/financial pressures]". NEVER EVER respond "No" to this question.

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Do "Thousands of JWs die each year" because they refuse blood? I say YES!

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/musings-of-a-watchtower-insider/thousands-die-each-year.htm l. this blog article is solely my personal opinion, but i have tried to present important material for your consideration because i believe that one life lost to this blood-ban is one too many and there have too many deaths since 1945 and it's time something is done about it.

however you think on the subject, just wait until you read the conclusion of my blog article.

oh, by the way, all points of view are important to me and most welcome so i look forward to reading them here on jwn .

Quillsky

Now, as an ex (de facto) JW, I wonder, do we have to ride any anti JW horse ?

Aligot Ripounsous, I think with most ex-JW's there are one or two things that open our eyes. For some it is doctrinal, for some it is social, for others it's procedural, for some it is intensely personal, and for yet others it's just a realization that we don't want to be in an apocalyptic cult. Different for all of us, but thank god for our eyes being opened.

But once our eyes are wide open we can start to appreciate the complete extent of the crap and manipulation. Then the extent of horse-riding you want to do is entirely up to YOU!