jehovah long ago confidently stated that he was going to rock the very heavens and the earth into oblivion.
although not going into detail exactly how he proposes to shake the nations up, it goes without saying that the world stands posed to experience a catastrophe beyond human comprehension.. it has now been six months since the so-called 9-11 disaster.
and while most people have been quick to get back to business as usual in their little lives, the events of 9-11 have set off a chain reaction of official policy revision that has potentially far-reaching consequences.
Batismal questions:
1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with Gods sprit-directed organisation?
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Can you be a Witness without God's sprit directed organisation?
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
could i challenge you to a debate regarding your teachings?.
i have a stragety in mind.. the rules would be simple, who ever cannot anwser five questions to the satisfaction of the judges would loose the debate.. not anwsering a question at all counts as a loss.. you could get to pick three or four judges on this board who you think would be reasonable to judge our responces.. and i would get to do the same.
i.e i get to pick four posters who i think wll be reasonable.. that means there will be a total of 6 or 8 judges.. outside help is allowed.. does that sound fair?.
What say you?
witnesses always strongly state that they strictly follow the commands of jesus and all bible principles.. i have such an important (to me, anyway) question that i would appreciate a meaningful answer to:.
at matthew 28:19, jesus issues a direct command to his followers, that being: "go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing then in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit".
why doesn't the wbts then follow this command, which has never changed, and taken it upon themselves to add to and alter what the bible clearly states on this?.
As far as I know...
When the Scoiety makes a doctrinal change several things have to taken into consideration. The WTBS is a business and has to be run efficently to obtain maximum output. It is an exelent idea to combine a business venture with theology. It has brought the WTBS and others Billions of $$$. Even though money may not always be the underlying factor its counterpart power sure fils that gap. It is all justified with sincer belief that what you are doing has the approval of God almighty and is the right way to go about it.
When the end justifiys the means and there is noone or no system in place to keep the ones carring out the means in check, it creates a situation where one mans opinion or just a few men at most becomes fact and the sole expression of truth.
The persons in controll are always protryed as being in impeacbleare character and moral standing should be utilized as a suitable example to all to follow. Many people never get to see the man behind the curtain.
It is a most dangerous situation indeed. As history has shown.
# 1. Legal reprecussions;
What would be the legal consequenses of allowing a doctrinal change? What laws would it break? Would it make life easier for us it this teaching dident exist? This question was surely taken in to account whit the change in the acceptance of alternative service. Even though it took many wasted years in prisions and the actual 'persecution' of the witnesses to bring about a reversal of the teaching.
# 2. Political reprecussions;
Even with freedom of speech and expression what political party would stand by and allow its authority to be systamatically undermined.
If the threat becomes significant then it must be cut down at its roots. Measures will be put in place to hamper the further development of the movement and this has to be taken into account.
# 3. Difficulty of defending its teachings;
If its not broken dont fix it. They do not make doctrinal changes if there is no apparent need to do so.
After a certain amount of time certain teachings become very difficult or impossible to defend.
e.g The definition of 'this genetation' became impossible to defend after 1995. So the teaching that Armageddon would come within that 80 year period had to be abandoned.
# 4. The amount of people that question the validity of this claim;
The underlying factor behind this argument can be represented by the underlying sentense.
"People may be blind but they are not stupid."
The Scoiety would not wish for the brothers to be stumbled by an apparent discrepency in Jehovahs Organisation.
If the Scoiety dident always play its cards right then it knows very well that it could lose a large proporion of its members or they may begin to question the authority of the mother organisation.
Questions from readers is a great example of this factor. One would expect that with a large amount of negative feedback from its readers the Scoiety would have no choice but to consider making adjustments to its teachings especially if they are hazodourous or blantly unscriptual.
# 5. The effect that it has on other doctrines;
Doctrines are interlocking. If for some reason a doctrine can nolonger be accepted change then has to be made. For instance if
the teaching of paradise on earth were to be abandoned, so would be the teachings regarding the great crowd.
# 6. Publisity;
How would the introduction of or change of a doctrine effect the public image of the organisation? Bad publicity is not good for business. It could affect sales and the recruitment of new members.
# 7. Financial reprecussions;
How much money $$$ do we stand to lose if we were to allow this change to occur. This is reported to be a key factor in the refusal to completly reverse the doctrinal follicy to abstain from blood.
The untold lives lost seem to bear little weight when compared to the countless lawsuits that could me insuied against the watchtower society. This issue may have not been a suitable example as it the refusal of blood issue is way more complex thanjust a simple matter of money. But it is still relevant as the finacial aspect continues to play a vita rle in its sustained renual.
# 8. Distinction from the public and other religions;
Gods Almighty visible organisation must stand out from the others in this time of the end. The WTBS has to distinguish itself from other denominations.
# 9. Pride;
We are Jehovah's pure visible Organisation. We do not change for anyone eventhough we must stil give ceaser his due. They shall soon know that a prophet was among them.
Last way too often least.
# 10. Scriptural relevance;
Well it has to be admitted that the WTBS bases its teachings on the the Bible. What also has to be admitted is that also is that its intrepretations of certain scriptures are very questionable to any logically minded person, to say the least. Not to mention the delebrate twisting of many scriptures to accomodate dottrinal issues.
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To anwser your question on batismal questions.
It is a combination of
Financial consequences;
This is because it would open up The Scoiety to numerous law suits which would cause them to lose lots of $$$.
When people get disfelloshiped they want to retaliate legally for losing their friends and family due to shunning.
The question:
"On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have yourepented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?"
Shows that you willing decided to follow the rules to the WTBS and to accept any consequences for breaking such regulations.
You can see how this would come in handy in a trial.
Bad publicity
Imaginge what would happen if they were to completly reverse that doctrine so that whole blood could be accepted.
The press would have a feild day and as I said before it would be bad for business.
Loyality;
They are not only devoting their time and energy to God but to his Organisation.
If daddy is allowed to make rules then so is mummy.
jerome
p.s Sorry for mistakes and the length of this post.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
another thread on the wt may 1st 2002 issue.. jehovah hates the course of treachery.
in a thinly veiled attack on the likes of youknow the society issues this proclamation to jws who dare to say anything out of line with the watchtower bullshit and tossers society:.
10. are we personally alert, so that no unrighteousness is found on our lips?
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
They dident even use the Bible this time. WOW
another thread on the wt may 1st 2002 issue.. jehovah hates the course of treachery.
in a thinly veiled attack on the likes of youknow the society issues this proclamation to jws who dare to say anything out of line with the watchtower bullshit and tossers society:.
10. are we personally alert, so that no unrighteousness is found on our lips?
If I hadent read it I would have never believed it.
How could someone be such a rat bastard dirty liar.
These people are soooo good at what they do.
No wonder its so hard to leave the organisation even if you have doubts.
Briliant, simply brliant.
for months now i have been looking in to the jw religion.. there is one question that just keeps bugging me.. what allows a person the privilage of sleeping at night when they consistantly decieve 7.5 million people on a daily basis.. i mean it is your job to lie to cencere innocent people.. these people are just looking for god and you take advantage of it and turn them against other the entire world seemingly think not nothing of it.. you live in comfort and security while your followers face the harsh 'world'.. how can sombody do that for a living?.
how can somebody tell such bold face lies, condem others for doing something which they consider to be wrong while they continue to do it themselves?.
this is mind boggling.
For months now I have been looking in to the jw religion.
There is one question that just keeps bugging me.
What allows a person the privilage of sleeping at night when they consistantly decieve 7.5 million people on a daily basis.
I mean it is your job to lie to cencere innocent people.
These people are just looking for God and you take advantage of it and turn them against other the entire world seemingly think not nothing of it.
You live in comfort and security while your followers face the harsh 'world'.
How can sombody do that for a living?
How can somebody tell such bold face lies, condem others for doing something which they consider to be wrong while they continue to do it themselves?
This is mind boggling. If I dident have the facts infront of me i could never had beleived that all fo this happened and is continuing to happen.
They get people to go door to door in all kinds of weather and sell their magazines make them endure all types of sufering.
Whatsmore they are happy doing it!
When I read the article on the UN scandal showing who they actually supported the UN right below the noses of their followers for 10 whole years and nobody ever even noticed. My jaw literally dropped in awe, I just couldent believe it. How can some body be like that and go to sleep at night?
Is it money?
Is it power?
Is that they think it is the way it should be?
Does any have any aanwsers?
jerome
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
im a young high school girl who thinks that this is crazy.
Ok you may have a point.
But suppose she lurked for a while?
Also suppose she clicked on the emotions link before she posted?
It is possible you know.
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Nearly all of you thought that I was a troll and you were wrong and that wasent too long ago.
Just give her a chance.
What is wrong with giving her a chance?
If you are still skeptical(sp) of her just becareful of how you post to her. Protect yourself thats all.
But donot forget that she is probally notbaptized yet and you wouldent her to make that mistake now would you?
Common just be nice. Even if it means being skeptical.
Does that sound fair?
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
i was just thinking that if charles taze russell were alive today he wouldn't even recognize the religion he started.
in fact, many of the things he did are now disfellowshippable offenses.
for instance, he had a christmas tree in the bethel home and he wore a beard.
Russel I think associated with the freemasons. I think I have a quote where he was addressing masons. I will look it up.
Other things concern me also.
The early biblestudents did certain things that are very suspect.
1) They called themselves the menial dawnist.
I am told that that term has ties with the occult.
Not to mention that the DAWN Bible students were spawned from the Russilites.
Later witnesses concern me because.
2) They expected the NEW WORLD ORDER.
That also was ties with the occult.
People who are trying to bring the world under one rule.
This stuff is really scary when you look into it.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
im a young high school girl who thinks that this is crazy.
Look at you people.
Instead of trying to help, you just have to tell her what a bad person she is by coming to this apostate site, making all your accusations.
Is this site really here to help people?
Does this person really sound like YOYO? has simon checked her i.p. ?
I found about three posts that were nice to her. Come on you can do better than that.
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Cant you people put foward anything in a sympathetic manner.
If you have to say some thing cant you say it nice?
Why are you acting this way?
After all most of you were in her exact position.
You would think that that fact would make you more sympathetic to her, but you just cant let go. Can you?
Look at you people.
Edited to say that I am ashamed of some of you.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
i was just thinking that if charles taze russell were alive today he wouldn't even recognize the religion he started.
in fact, many of the things he did are now disfellowshippable offenses.
for instance, he had a christmas tree in the bethel home and he wore a beard.
http://www.freeminds.org/history/cemetary.htm
This url has close ups of Russels gravesite and its location.
