Posts by Wonderment

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Is there a list of changes made in the New World Translation?

by Grammy in

i would love to be able to show them to my husband so he can check them for himself since he thinks the only changes made were that the nwt is in a "modern language" he gets quite upset with me when he tells me he has read the bible front to back several times and i say "yes you have, but the bible you are reading has been changed from what the scriptures in other versions of the bible say" thanks in advance for any help with this.grammy

Wonderment

Narkissos had this to say (11/24/2007): "The looooong lists of NWT "distortions" are usually compiled from the naive perspective of readers who hold some old, "classical" version like the KJV to be "the Bible," period. All changes from there are considered corruptions. From a scholarly standpoint (and leaving stylistic issues aside) they are not necessarily (and, in fact, rarely) so.

As a rule of thumb I would recommend checking every suspected "distortion" against a modern version (like the NRSV or JB). And drop it if you find out that they basically agree: there's usually a fairly good reason (from textual criticism, philology or exegesis) for the change. The resulting list will be much shorter and much better.

Don't take me wrong: I'm not saying the NWT is a good version. But you will find many debatable renderings in all versions, so listing merely debatable renderings in the NWT won't lead you anywhere."

Also, in fairness to fellow readers on this board, it should be noted not everyone succumbs to the notion that the NWT must be the most heretical version of all.

Dr. Alan S. Duthie (Ph.D in linguistics from the University of Manchester) stated:

“It [the NWT] is no more ‘full of heresies’ than any other translation.” (Bible translations and how to choose between them, p. 103)

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Which apple do you like the most?

by Iamallcool in

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Wonderment

Fuji and Gala!

Red delicious may taste great if you catch them fresh. However, if you buy them at the supermarket, they don't taste as good. And once you buy them, they have a short life in the fridge.

Fuji and Gala can last weeks even after buying them at the supermarket. I would have to try Pink Lady again, after reading the comments here.

One thing though, buying apples in the supermarket is a hit and miss thing. Sometimes, if you are lucky, you get awesome tasting apples from the market, other times, apples taste bland and hollow. Personally, I stay away from Red delicious from the s.market.

By the way, for those of you who enjoy apple juice in the bottle, make sure you get apple juice (NOT from concentrate) with just, apple and vitamin C as preservative. Make sure water is not listed. Otherwise you end up paying for water over apple juice as a second or third constituent.

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How to Shit in the Woods

by Wonderment in

"how to shit in the woods" ... this is actually a book title sold by the thousands, no, by the millions.

yep, over 2.5 million copies of the book have been sold, and the author is a woman (kathleen meyer).. now, if you are a man, do you feel comfortable with a woman telling you "how to shit in the woods"?

this book is in its third edition, in 8 languages to boot.

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"How to Shit in the Woods" ... this is actually a book title sold by the thousands, no, by the millions.

Yep, over 2.5 million copies of the book have been sold, and the author is a woman (Kathleen Meyer).

Now, if you are a man, do you feel comfortable with a woman telling you "how to shit in the woods"?

This book is in its third edition, in 8 languages to boot. It is sold in Amazon, Books-A-Million, etc.

I never imagined a book with such title would sell in the millions. I am intrigued that a woman is bold enough to publish such book. Well, maybe not. Men could learn a lot of things from women. But still, what expertise does this woman bring to the table in the "elimination" department?

For more information: http://www.randomhouse.com/book/202954/how-to-shit-in-the-woods-3rd-edition-by-kathleen-meyer/

Do any of you own this book?

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Acts 4:21 - There Is No Salvation in Anyone Else

by Darth Rutherford in

(the watchtower, 11/1/1990, p.25, par.

-the watchtower 1/15/2011, p.4, par.

-the watchtower 12/15/2007, p.14, par.

Wonderment

Darth Rutherford:

I appreciate the time and effort you put on this. I saved it.

Thanks!

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New World Translation Assaults on Language and Phrases that Always Wigged Me Out!

by DarioKehl in

i listened to the august 4th episode of the healingxjws podcast where they interviewed a former jw circuit overseer.

he shared many great examples of how original meanings (especially poetry) were lost in this terrible translation.

it's worth listening to.

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Leolaia:

I could not agree with you more. The NWT is not pleasant overall to read page after page.

But because it's so unique, it has its place as a Study Bible (my opinion). The translation challenges many common views, and introduces many refreshing thoughts throughout the rendered text. Of course, I realize that is why many here and elsewhere dislike it.

One thing that I found striking when reading Bible reviews of various versions (by the like of Lewis, Kubo/Specht, etc.), is that if a person were to focus on one of their chapters dealing with any of the many versions and its oddities, he or she could walk away with the "godawful" impression that that specific version fails the test. Granted, the NWT perhaps beats them all in the oddity department, but my point is that those same reviewers could take the positive renderings of any of those versions and produce a more estimulating experience.

So, Leolaia, out of curiosity, have you ever come up with a list of NWT favorable renderings, if any? If so, could you share such a list with us?

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New World Translation Assaults on Language and Phrases that Always Wigged Me Out!

by DarioKehl in

i listened to the august 4th episode of the healingxjws podcast where they interviewed a former jw circuit overseer.

he shared many great examples of how original meanings (especially poetry) were lost in this terrible translation.

it's worth listening to.

Wonderment

dropoffyourkeylee said: "Here's one that always irked me:

John 5:30, "I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me", where the wording should be "him who sent me". At least that is what I was taught in every English class, if it refers to a person the word should be 'who'. The NW translator did this repeatedly, especially in John:

John 3:36,5:30,5:32, 6:45, 7:16,8:26, as well as Matt 5:28.

You would think they could at least gotten the English grammar right."

Did you check John 5:30 in the NWT against these others?:

Wycliffe NT; Douay-Rheims Bible; Darby Translation; American Standard Version; Rotherham Translation, to name a few. Either the NWT translators were influenced by these older versions, or else, influenced by the Greek construction there (articular verbal participle aorist with a noun/adjectival force). [Literally: "...but the will of the (one)having sent me."]

On another subject, in translating "my breasts are like towers, the NWT is not alone doing so, since that is the Hebrew reading. This well illustrates the disparity of languages, and the difficulty the Bible translator faces when having to choose between the original, and modern paraphrases to bring the writer's message across. The versions below communicate easier to modern readers, but the Hebrew analogies are lost. It's your choice. I like both.

The Message Bible: "my breasts are full." Living Bible: "full breasted." Clear Word: "now I'm grown."

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Does the Watchtower still print the "Kingdom Interlinear Translation" book?

by Resistance is Futile in

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it was last updated in 1985. does the watchtower still print it?

could a jw place an order for one at the kingdom hall?.

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I agree with Bobcat that "The Word Study Greek-English New Testament" by Paul R. McReynolds is the one to buy.

It and the Kingdom Interlinear Translation, in my opinion, are the most useful of the bunch. Most of the other interlinears are of little use, compared with these two.

I disagree with Bobcat, though, on the issue of Luke 23:43: I don't think the NWT Committee was obliged to follow the comma placement of the WH Greek Text. There was no punctuation in the original manuscripts, so WH used their theological judgment on that one, and the NWT Committee did the same. It is not a matter of dishonesty, it is a matter of interpretation. It is not unusual for Bible translators to deviate from the Greek Text they follow at times. It is standard practice. In many cases they acknowledge so with footnotes or other, like the KIT did at Lu 23:43.

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Does anyone know who Ray Franz wrote this letter to? The date?

by Wonderment in

the letter (copy below) was submitted by pixies on 8/13/2006 on page 2 of link below:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/118479/2/a-fair-view-of-fred-franz-translation-abilities .

here is some further observations by ray franz in response to a question regarding his uncle fw franz-s translating abilities:.

Wonderment

Oops!

Thank you SISTER!

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Does anyone know who Ray Franz wrote this letter to? The date?

by Wonderment in

the letter (copy below) was submitted by pixies on 8/13/2006 on page 2 of link below:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/118479/2/a-fair-view-of-fred-franz-translation-abilities .

here is some further observations by ray franz in response to a question regarding his uncle fw franz-s translating abilities:.

Wonderment

Thanks jamiebowers!

I appreciate your effort and response. God bless you brother!

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Does anyone know who Ray Franz wrote this letter to? The date?

by Wonderment in

the letter (copy below) was submitted by pixies on 8/13/2006 on page 2 of link below:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/118479/2/a-fair-view-of-fred-franz-translation-abilities .

here is some further observations by ray franz in response to a question regarding his uncle fw franz-s translating abilities:.

Wonderment

jamiebowers:

Excuse me, but I could not find the above letter in that link. What I did find was a heavy distortion of facts, and outright lies. That is not a reliable site at all.