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  why does the Wt hate Jesus so much?

  by Crazyguy in

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  even in the anniversary year were they claim jesus being enthroned for a hundred years they talk and say jehovah is king, its still all about jehovah, i don't get it?.

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  JeffT

  Jehovah's Witnesses are basically an old testament religion.
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  New Light - I've figured it out (and it's mine so don't you 'tates steal my royalties or MY followers - they belong to me [evil maniacal laughter] )

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so, we continue to face mounting challenges with 607 vs 587 (20 year differential), and the generation dying out.. therefore, after a personal (420 free - honest) research and revelation, it would appear that 587 is the correct launch date.. with respect to the 7 times, russell had been influenced by john a. brown into using a year of 360 days, when prescience would most surely indicate that at the time of discovery (2014) one would use the number of days of that respective calendar, i.e.. 365 1/4 days, an additional 5.25 days per year.. so, 7 x 5.25 = 36.75, which, using the biblical principle of rounding down, is 36 years.

  (a day for a year).. adding the 20 year differential to the 36 years now gives us 56 years, which when added to 1914 ce, brings us to 1970 ce.. when we ask the god google, the significance of 1970, it tells us that earth day began 4/22/1970 (note not 4/20).. and who came to the aid of the woman (rev.

  was it not the earth?.

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  JeffT

  With respect to the 7 times, Russell had been influenced by John A. Brown into using a year of 360 days, when prescience would most surely indicate that AT THE TIME OF DISCOVERY (2014) one would use the number of days of that respective calendar, i.e.. 365 1/4 days, an additional 5.25 days per year.

  So, 7 x 5.25 = 36.75, which, using the biblical principle of rounding down, is 36 years. (A day for a year).

  Russell used the modern calendar with a 365 day year, so this part doesn't work. However, if you fancy it up with enough bullshit flowery intellectual verbage, no one well notice. There's always some sheep around to fleece.
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  When a JW's life comes close to its end...

  by suavojr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  talking with a long time elder last night, was very revealing.

  he has been a jw for over 60 years, a man that was incarcerated in cuba in his early 20s and faced great loss and suffering over his beliefs and for being born in a communist country.

  this brave man is now brittle and low-spirited.. while nightfalls on his life, he is made aware the end is near.

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  I starting studying when I was 22 (1973), sucked in with all the 1975 hype. I was mentally out in 1988 and DA'd in 1989. I'm glad I got out when I did. I knew some nice people back in the day, as far as I know, they're still in, or died in. I wonder how many of them lie awake at night worrying they spent their one time around chasing a pipe dream. It has to be hard, they've now spent 40+ years waiting for some better to come along instead of going out and getting it.

  How sad.
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  Do you think US Dollar will collapse on July 1st?

  by Iamallcool in

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  2. friends

  if you do not know what i am talking about, google about it.

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  DoC my memory of prices goes back to the '50's. I can rememer my mother giving me fifty cents to go to a Saturday matinee. The move was 35, plus a dime for a coke and a nickel for a candy bar. When I got my driver's license in 1967 gas was twenty-five cents a gallon. Cigarettes were .40 a pack in those days.

  Now, you kids get off my lawn

  /old fart mode off/
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  WT 2014 - 08 - 15 ..... but congregations are not required to do this.

  by fastJehu in

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  2. bible

  you are older?

  you have no pc or tablet?

  you can't handle computers?.

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  I suppose directing some one to the local library, where they can use a computer for free, is not approved.
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  An increase in security at this summer's conventions??

  by gingerbread in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we've heard from friends in two separate congregations in our city that convention security will be tight.. the brothers made announcements this week and reminded everyone to be sure to wear their name badges.

  those that don't may be questioned and have their belongings searched.

  the same will be happen to anyone arriving during the sessions.

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  I may go to the convention this summer and just pretend I'm an interested person and see what happens, especially when I tell them I've lost interest.
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  Of times and $$$$

  by zebagain in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  in sorting insurances out updating , i just mentioned to my wife who is 'in' that in the event you have to claim "dont give any of it to anyone else".. there was a pause i didnt like.. comments by others on this site indicated the wts has been beating the drum for $$ i fear what she may have agreed to.. to those who have insurance it is not.. not to go, not a cent to the wts as they have belittled anyone taking out insurance or retirement benefits.. my insurance has been created to keep her and our handicapped offspring not the gb on a building spree..

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  I have some experience in dealing with a trust. The advice to see a lawyer is spot on. It should be relatively easy for a lawyer to set up a trust that will restrict distributions to care for your family.
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  I need to verify some information

  by JeffT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there have been a lot of threads regarding changes in donations, kingdom hall ownership etc.

  and what it all means.

  i'm about to put on my accounting hat on and seriously consider the what it all means part (and why they may be doing it).

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  There have been a lot of threads regarding changes in donations, Kingdom Hall ownership etc. and what it all means. I'm about to put on my accounting hat on and seriously consider the what it all means part (and why they may be doing it). I want to confirm my understanding of two basic facts:

  1) Kingdom Halls are now owned by the WTBS and not the local congregation

  2) Mortgages have been canceled, instead of making loan payments to the Society, the local congregations are pledging contributions of roughly the same amount. Congregations that had already paid off their mortgage are expected to pledge an amount roughly equal to what their mortgage would be if they had one. These payments will never end.

  I have some thoughts on what they're doing. I will probably post on my blog (and notify everybody when I do) as I'm trying to get the blog up and running again.

  Thanks for your help.
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  Looking at the McDonald's Real Estate Model

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when you think of mcdonalds (mcd), you typically think of the worlds biggest hamburger distributor, but they are also the worlds biggest toy distributor with their happy meals.

  mcd also has one of the world's best real estate portfolios.

  mcd owns much of the best commercial property all over the world.. mcd earns revenue as an investor in properties, a franchiser of restaurants, and an operator of restaurants.

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  Interesting idea. The WTBS had a very workable (and I'm sure profitable) business model for many years. Their volunteer "labor" bought 12 million magazines four times a month. In theory, the R&F got their money back when they sold the magazines at the door, but the WTBS didn't care about that because they'd been paid already.

  This thing hummed along nicely until the supreme court decided that the income was taxable in a case involving Jimmy Swaggart. They tried going to the donation arrangement, but obviously that has not worked. They are clearly trying to launch a new business model, involving owning the real estate and collecting "pledges" to recover the income stream. The pledge arrangment is significant when dealing with banks (my granddaughter's school is going through this right now trying to fund a new building). Banks look at donations as an income stream that can dry up any time. A pledge is regarded by the banks as a more reliable source of money, as its evidenced by a piece of paper.

  As they implement this new model I would not be suprised to see some major changes over time. Field service will always exist, but the emphasis may be reduced. In their shoes, I would relax the prohibition on higher education, particulary I would emphasize two year degrees, internships, and union programs, as they are faster, cheaper and don't encourage as much thinking as a full university. I would start taking about tithes as the membership moves into higher paying jobs. This will all take time, but eventually the religion could morph into something more like Mormons or Seventh Day Adventists, a bit querky, but a more mainstream.
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  last big convention-last memorial buzz

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  are others hearing this meme from speakers at their congregation?.

  is it a newspeak technique for instilling a sense of urgency?.

  if it is - it's more manipulative than 1975. it seems like a way of getting around over use of the word "soon", "just around the corner".. maybe after 100 years of waiting they feel they need to approach it from another angle.. i should mention that the qualifier "may" is added "this may be our last___________________ fill in the blank.. lots of wiggle room.

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  JeffT

  I was in from 1973-1988. They always said that every memorial and every convention was potentially the last one.