Posts by Diogenesister

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I was disfellowshipped because of Satan

by elbib in

during co visit, i took him for a bible study i was conducting.

during the session, the householder said he believed satan was not a person, but personification of evil within us.

i left co to handle householder’s doubt.

Diogenesister

The Jews do not believe that Satan exists as a sentient being but is termed the " Yetzer hara" or "evil inclination" . Jesus, being a devout Jew..similarly could not have believed he was a person. The Satan in Job is given the name " adversary" as a TITLE not a proper name, in the sense of a lawyer argueing for the prosecution ( of Job). The title Ha' Satan" appears twice in the Hebrew bible..in Job and Zachariah.The other 8 occasions the word is used either as a verb or using the term as" a hindrance" or to " thwart".

How else could a Satan have reasonably been granted audience with God after mankind was condemned to death for a disobedience that the witnesses say was instigated by" Satan", it doesn't make any sense. In any case no mention of Satan is made in genesis - only a talking snake!

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Im wondering...maybe the GB are truly mentally damaged, not just deceivers.

by sowhatnow in

has anyone by chance read the latest issue of pshychology today?

april issue, article title' moment of impact'.. i havent fiished reading it yet, but it got me thinking, how likely is it that many born in jws [ teens in particular since thats the age these issues start to appear] will end up with these problems mentioned in the article?

i know of a few adults that have this problem, schizophrenia, bi polar, ect.

Diogenesister

Oppostate love that analogy of the bending wire snapping...in my minds eye all witnesses are like this, the stress damage is there though not always visible

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Im wondering...maybe the GB are truly mentally damaged, not just deceivers.

by sowhatnow in

has anyone by chance read the latest issue of pshychology today?

april issue, article title' moment of impact'.. i havent fiished reading it yet, but it got me thinking, how likely is it that many born in jws [ teens in particular since thats the age these issues start to appear] will end up with these problems mentioned in the article?

i know of a few adults that have this problem, schizophrenia, bi polar, ect.

Diogenesister

I think its extremely likely...I've been in a psychiatric institution and have been told that I am hi polar. I think growing up in a cult is likely to exacerbate any underlying mental disorder and trigger episodes of illness as you say teens are especially vulnerable.

The chicken and egg problem is do cults produce mental illness or are folk pre disposed to mental illness attracted to cults?

As regards the GB they have so much invested in the cult now its too big of a u turn for them to face reality...but yes, believing BS that you yourself make up (ie I am special and different, gods chosen one etc) IS a type of psychological illness or malfunction if you like..those guys need an " intervention" LOL!

When will families start having " intervention" for their witness relatives the way families of addicts do! Roll on the day!!

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I went to see my Dr about the blood card issue

by purrpurr in

i booked a double appointment so that she wouldn't be rushed.

i explained that i'd been brought up in the jw's and woken up to what a load of shite it was.

i explained that they have changed the blood card and that the elders in the cong are being told to effectively force people into signing it.

Diogenesister

Pale emporer I agree with you there is no organizationally sanctioned racism ( not to say there are not individual racists), homophobia is endemic and sexism IS most definitely not only sanctioned but encouraged in all areas of life. Not to see it as such is just perverse.

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Luke 15:4 Has this ever happened in your congregation?

by pleaseresearch in

luke 15:4. new international version.

"suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them.

doesn't he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it?.

Diogenesister

[ crickets]

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Cognitive Dissonance is the feeling of uncomfortable tension which comes from holding two conflicting thoughts in the mind at the same time.

by Sledracer in

cognitive dissonance is the feeling of uncomfortable tension which comes from holding two conflicting thoughts in the mind at the same time.

this is what is wrong with me, i have a love hate relationship with the jw's.

Diogenesister

Sledracer This is normal...don't worry, you are grieving...you have lost the one thing you trusted and believed in, it takes time. Post and rant/share as much and often..we all empathize.

GoneAwolLOL!Atrocious!!!! ( thanks for the blood post BTW)

Pale emperor great post and so true.

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I went to see my Dr about the blood card issue

by purrpurr in

i booked a double appointment so that she wouldn't be rushed.

i explained that i'd been brought up in the jw's and woken up to what a load of shite it was.

i explained that they have changed the blood card and that the elders in the cong are being told to effectively force people into signing it.

Diogenesister

Thank you goneawol for your post, THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR ALL UK EXJW'S TO BE AWARE OF.

I am a nurse and currently a law student ( doing my LLB).

To take this further, it is true, would expose purrpurr.

My fear is that a nieve SHO in casualty, say following an accident, as you correctly say with this card may allow elders to gain access to immediate care records - which would include a fluid intake or IV chart/blood chart.

Also, unfortunately many dubs do hand over power of attorney to the elders.

These cards have to be stopped. I cannot believe they are legal given the potential to use them for punishment or as a tool to pressurize dubs into conformity on pain of loosing family members. I am so Keen for this to be challenged in the UK courts. It would require someone's who was prepared to go " public" unfortunately, at least to some extent.

Fantastic chat purrpurr...congrats for your courage and for bringing this out into the open.

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S-77 Form--Britain!

by Atlantis in

say wifi, if we don't have this one in the archives would you throw it in there.

some kind folks sent it over and we may need it some day.

.. s-77 form britain (a lot of boxes to check on this one!)..

Diogenesister

Atlantis said

" SAY..wifi..."

Ahhhhh! Adorable! Makes me think of those westerns I would love to watch with my grandpa!!! Love that accent!!

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Another JW Literature Trolly Experience

by Athanasius in

this morning i stopped at dollar general to get a cheap container for waste paper.

it was 11:30 am and there were two jw literature trolleys parked near the store and manned by three jws, on old man in a rolling chair, a 30 something man, and 30 something woman.

as i walked by them i glanced at the their literature rack and proceeded into the store.. i was in the store for 20 minutes and made my purchase.

Diogenesister

" From what others on the forum have related, I didn't think the trolley JWs were suppose to talk to the public. Perhaps this guy was the exception.

What? Really? Is this true? I always suspected that the reason this trolley witnessing started was because they didn't want their people conversing with a public who will give them so much " anti witness" information. Like any cult I believe the move to Warwick is part of a policy of retreat from society in general...an informed and knowledgeable society that is a threat to the ignorance of any cult member. The bigwigs KNOW there is no Armageddon any time "soon".

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Tiger numbers in the wild have risen slightly

by Xanthippe in

in 1900 there were 100,000 tigers in the wild.

a hundred or so years later there were only 3,200 due to habitat destruction and poaching for traditional medicine.

for the first time in a hundred years the numbers have risen.. .

Diogenesister

Told my tiger mad son who is delighted.

Tiger- tiger byBlake is his favourite poem.