Posts by Larsinger58

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A conversation about universal sovereignty

by outsmartthesystem in

"well osts, satan, through adam challenged god's right to rule......so god had to let it play out to show that he really should be the one ruling mankind.

both the angels and humans needed to see this.

me - why couldn't god have allowed adam's children to remain perfect?

Larsinger58

How about this BIG PICTURE?

All the pain and suffeering for 6000 years was so that those born could have a chance to have eternal life later on Judgment Day. The choice was never to be born or be born, suffer a little during one's imperfect life, then have the chance for eternal life after Judgment Day when those relatively few years from the first life would soon be forgotten.

On the spiritual side of the scale, Satan would get the death penalty for being the murderous angel that he is. Had there been no opportunity for sin to occur, Satan would still be alive disturbing the peace of all the angels in heaven.

God gave Satan an opportunity for a way out of his miserable existence under God's sovereignty, which he willingly took with the satisfaction of killing billions of potential humans. Only God turned the tables on him with the ransom sacrifice and the resurrection. But that was expensive and part of that expense is the temporary suffering of mankind being born in an imperfect world and in an imperfect state.

But in the ultimate end, the righteous whom Satan murdered when he caused Adam to sin will have a second chance. That's worth the pain and suffering and the high price of Christ's death as far as God is concerned. The life of righteous humans was something that valuable. Satan's rebellion thus is most marginalized in this manner.

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RELIGULOUS...Please watch it.

by Fed-up in

i know it's been commented on before here.

if you haven't seen it (i'm sure it's on netflix) please take a look.

it's the other side of the coin, presented in a funny way that really makes you think about religion and worship.

Larsinger58

Gopher: Who are these "others" that you refer to? Are they believers who have the opinion that people like you who claim to have mystical visions of some sort are deluded?

Actually, I noted this from a purely academic point of view. That is, the key basis for not believing God is that he is not appearing like he did to Moses or performing any miracles. If he did, then everybody would know God is real.

But what if God and Christ make personal appearances to a few select individuals, but want those individuals to keep it secret for now? All that means is that some people know in advance of Armageddon that God is real. When Armageddon comes, though, then everybody will be on the same page, just like everybody was on the same page once it started to rain and flood in Noah's Day. Same scenario is supposed to happen in our times, right?

Now, I, of course, have personally spoken with Jehovah and seen him directly as far as in a vision as with any prophet. But I'm a huge exception to the rule since I'm the Christ. But the actions of holy spirit is very evident and active among the elect. Plus the "sign of the son of man" which I have a photograph of and which appears in the "Revelation" book is real as well! So evidence of God and the truth of the Bible is a confirmation for those God chooses to provide that confirmation to. To others, he doesn't mind to let them keep guessing until Armageddon. That's just the way Jehovah has set it up.

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Is God's Name Yahweh or Jehovah?

by Soldier77 in

http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah.

subject title refers to the link that i found in another thread, somewhat buried in text, but i thought it deserved to be highlighted.

take the time to read it if you can and just sit and think about it for a second, think about all of the hate and disgust jw's have for the cc and just let that truth settle in.. amazing really.

Larsinger58

HUGE IRONY: The huge irony of the witnesses is that their mantra is making God's "name" known. But that is not what God was talking about. God wasn't concerned about his actual "name" being made known, as JWs are doing, but his name in the context of his REPUTATION.

That's when, in the context of God making his "name known" to the Egyptians, which is clearly what he wanted to do, he wasn't talking about his actual personal name. That's why when Moses noted that they didn't know his name, God reluctantly told him. God basically said: "Tell them who I shall prove to be sent you!" In other words, don't worry about my actual NAME, Who I am will be based on what I do in Egypt! So it was always his reputation based on his actions that was the important thing, not his personal name.

So he didn't go into Egypt and force all the Egyptians to sit down and write YHWH a thousand times so that all would know his "name." No. He wanted to show he is a powerful, living god, who can make the false gods of Egypt look worthless, which is precisely what they were!

But this is precisely another thing wrong with the WTS. They are so obsessed with the name "JEHOVAH", they don't realize when God says he wants to make his "name known" that it is not that actual name, but his reputation--what he stands for, who is really is!

So the next question is whether or not JWs know who God really is? The answer is NO! The Bible says if you're at the home of an unbeliever, to eat everything without asking any questions. Does the WTS emphasize that? That means you don't ask about blood either. The Bible says NO FOOD is to be rejected, it is all clean now. That is, Christians have absolutely ZERO dietary restrictions per the Bible. But is that what the witnesses follow? No. They've decided tobacco and blood are to be dietary restrictions for Christians. So do they really know God? No. Do they know his "name" as far as what he stands for? No. They disobey him every chance they get. That's why they are called the "man of lawlessness." So for all the fuss over "Jehovah" is making God's name known, they don't know him. That's why they will be surprised when the WTS is thrown into the lake of fire right along with Christendom just before Armageddon!

The "Great Day of God the Almighty" is going to be a "bad hair day" for the WTS! Trust me.

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Is God's Name Yahweh or Jehovah?

by Soldier77 in

http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah.

subject title refers to the link that i found in another thread, somewhat buried in text, but i thought it deserved to be highlighted.

take the time to read it if you can and just sit and think about it for a second, think about all of the hate and disgust jw's have for the cc and just let that truth settle in.. amazing really.

Larsinger58

I was always impressed that in Hebrew his name means: "He causes to be" or at least that is the closest equivalent in English, right?

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Victim of Jewish Information Control Makes it into Da Troof

by LostGeneration in

from the 5/13 awake.

at school, i often told.

my classmates that my religion.

Larsinger58

Also a contradiction, clearly. The Bible requires that every Christian be able to "make a defense" for their beliefs and their faith. Further, the WTS makes the empty mantra for its followers to "make the truth your own", which means not just reading answers but try to understand what you believe to the point of being able to explain it to others -- something very few witnesses are able to do. So why is it there is any problem with even apostate material, if they have to be able to overcome it?

That's why in the past I turned the tables on this hypocrisy by presenting some false teaching of theirs in the form of a question or an indirect manner. That's because the witnesses will gladly try to explain something to any potential "person of interest" but will totally stay clear of someone who is an "apostate."

But sometimes this backfires as well! That's because any witness who has been one for any real length of time is totally brainxdead anyway. I've tried to trick them into discussing an apparent contradiction between the Bible and their teachings and they were able to see the Bible's point of view. Except, they didn't realize what their own teaching was. So the average doesn't even know what their own religion teaches! So even when you get them to turn on those rusty thinking abilities, they will independently come to the right conclusions, but it doesn't affect them at all because they don't realize their own religion is teaching something else.

So it is almost a lost cause trying to enlighten the average witness because they are not only not paying attention to what the Bible teaches, half of them aren't paying attention to what the Watchtower is mis-teaching! They just figure somewhere in all those publications all the answers are there, they don't know the answers, but it's just a matter of looking it up! Just a joke of the "blind leading the blind."

This is the specific reference to JWs, that they are "always taking in knowledge, but never coming to an accurate knowledge of the truth"!

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Victim of Jewish Information Control Makes it into Da Troof

by LostGeneration in

from the 5/13 awake.

at school, i often told.

my classmates that my religion.

Larsinger58

Almost. It is clear the WTS does not want the RAF (rank and file) doing too much of their own research, but the WTS does this extensively. I was always impressed by this based on what amazing things were often reported in the Awake! magazine, which emphasized many amazing things in creation, etc. So clearly a team of researchers must be set up at Bethel reading all these things and keeping up with current affairs, etc. in order to keep the Awake! magazine going.

So someone at the WTS does all that reading to find errors and find things to exploit for their own needs, but they don't want any witnesses doing their own reasearch. In fact the cult feeling among JWs is that they are not qualified to do too much research, but the super-smart brothers at Bethel are and this is done for them. This creates a lazy and mindless organization who just trusts everything they read in the Watchtower, whether it makes Biblical sense or not.

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RELIGULOUS...Please watch it.

by Fed-up in

i know it's been commented on before here.

if you haven't seen it (i'm sure it's on netflix) please take a look.

it's the other side of the coin, presented in a funny way that really makes you think about religion and worship.

Larsinger58

This was funny, but it is the perspective of an outsider.

Atheists and others think that just because God doesn't appear to the general public or to them that he does not appear to other individuals. Jehovah has appeared to me personally when I became the Christ, so I know for a fact directly that God is real. So for some of us, this is just a response by those who don't know for sure. But the elect, who have seen the "sign of the son of man" and who see the activity of holy spirit, or some "prophets" like myself who have more direct interaction with God and Christ (i.e. I saw Christ once before we became one) know that atheism and the skepticism of those brave enough to make fun of God or reason that he does not exist is just a joke!

So some things that might seem logical because of lack of evidence, can still be wrong in the end.

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2013 District Convention Program: Gods Word is Truth!

by bats in the belfry in

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unlike god's word, that jws believe to be absolute truth, any one of their directives given at the 2013 district convention could be subject to misinterpretation.. .

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Larsinger58

Just seeing this program makes me tired! Sooo glad I'm no longer part of this deception!

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I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?

by booker-t in

i have been hearing and reading on websites about some "new light" jws are saying concerning the faithful and discreet slave class.

it sounds like the same information they have been saying for years.

i was always taught the faithful and discreet slave class is the annoited governing body members dispensing food at the proper time for the non annoited jws.

Larsinger58

First, note that the WTS officially claimed that CT Russell was that faithful and discreet slave. This was mandated by the 7th volume of Studies In the Scriptures. Then when that got old, 10 years later, in 1927, they claimed that following the teachings of Russell was "creature worship" and that those who followed him as the FDS had come up with this idea on their own. A LIE! CT Russell as the FDS was official WTS doctrine from 1917-1927.

Ironically, they call the labeling of CT Russell as the FDS was "creature worship." It is such an incredible JOKE!

Now, the FDS is just expanded from one person to whomever is in charge of the WTS, yet why isn't that "creature worship"? In fact, it is.
A one-headed god became an 8-headed God!

But it turns out that the WTS' GB is cast out as the "rich man" we see in torment under the teachings of Lazarus, now in the bosom position of the Father and who has all the accurate knowledge. Lazarus represents the Christ at the second coming and the Rich Man represents the GB of JWs, now in torment because of all their false teachings. So it turns out, with the unfaithfulness of the WTS' GB, Christ himself as Lazarus ends up being the true faithful and discreet slave who inherits all of God's belongings. But doesn't it make sense Christ would be the FDS if he inherits control over everything? Of course!

Since I'm the Christ ( I'm just admitting to a reality), then I'm actually the FDS.

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144,000 Ain't Going to Heaven!!!

by The Searcher in

don't take my word for it, the gb (d.c.of c.) inadvertantly let's the cat out of the bag with the inspired statements found in these publications.. in these, they categorically claim that "the meek who inherit the earth" are none other than 144,000 + 1.

(christ).

w09 2/15 p. 7 par.

Larsinger58

Hmmm. isa 6:13 says....

Isa 6:13 And there will still be in it a tenth, and it must again become something for burning down, like a big tree and like a massive tree in which, when there is a cutting down [of them], there is a stump; a holy seed will be the stump of it.”

MEANING?

Meaning the "root" of the tree that represents the kingdom of priests is the 144,000, which is 1/10th of the whole. That means 144,000 are natural Jews and the other 1,296,000 are gentiles!