Posts by javagal

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Calgary Bomb at convention

by javagal in

i have just received a call from my parents who were at the calgary convention with my daughter and apparently everyone was evacuated as there was a bomb in the stadium.

i am not a jw any longer but this sort of behavior does nothing but put the people responsible on the same level as the jw's and give them something to oooh and aaahh over how the stadium was evacuated in 14 minutes 12 seconds blah blah blah and how this is such a testimony to jehovah's working of a visible organization.

it is just causing fear and we all know how jw's thrive on fear and playing the martyr.

javagal

My parents said there was a bomb but they are die hards so they will believe whatever they hear......I searced the papers in Calgary for some info but none was found (peculiar????) I figured in this day and age with terrorism it would have made front page news....Just another JW cover up or lie....not sure which

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Calgary Bomb at convention

by javagal in

i have just received a call from my parents who were at the calgary convention with my daughter and apparently everyone was evacuated as there was a bomb in the stadium.

i am not a jw any longer but this sort of behavior does nothing but put the people responsible on the same level as the jw's and give them something to oooh and aaahh over how the stadium was evacuated in 14 minutes 12 seconds blah blah blah and how this is such a testimony to jehovah's working of a visible organization.

it is just causing fear and we all know how jw's thrive on fear and playing the martyr.

javagal

I apologize if I made it appear that I feel someone deemed "apostate" was responsible for this, in reality it has more then crossed my mind that the dubs are responsible for the drama....it apparently happened during the song immediately prior to the drama...hmmmmmm.....

But the blame is definately focused on "shunned father" it is really sad that the dubs are so intent on kicking you when you are down. I tried to tell my mom that was the most ludicrous idea I had ever heard that he is just a hurt father that is stressed trying to save his daughter and in the meantime is losing everything else....that it doesn't make him a terrorist...but she heard some of the elders talking about it so it MUST be true....

I am just frustrated with the ends they go to shift blame and keep themselves from accepting responsibility for anything.....

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Calgary Bomb at convention

by javagal in

i have just received a call from my parents who were at the calgary convention with my daughter and apparently everyone was evacuated as there was a bomb in the stadium.

i am not a jw any longer but this sort of behavior does nothing but put the people responsible on the same level as the jw's and give them something to oooh and aaahh over how the stadium was evacuated in 14 minutes 12 seconds blah blah blah and how this is such a testimony to jehovah's working of a visible organization.

it is just causing fear and we all know how jw's thrive on fear and playing the martyr.

javagal

I have just received a call from my parents who were at the Calgary convention with my daughter and apparently everyone was evacuated as there was a bomb in the stadium. I am not a JW any longer but this sort of behavior does nothing but put the people responsible on the same level as the JW's and give them something to OOOH and AAAHH over how the stadium was evacuated in 14 minutes 12 seconds blah blah blah and how this is such a testimony to Jehovah's working of a visible organization. It is just causing fear and we all know how JW's thrive on fear and playing the martyr.

I am certain the person (s) responsible did not mean to actually hurt anyone as they did call in the threat but regardless. I do understand the hurt, pain and frustration people feel with this organization but we need to approach and change their hearts by love and not by fear. Calgary is presently a very hot place for JW's right now with the "shunned father" hitting the papers and news so hard right now but there are innocent people and of course this only tends to strengthen the "we're being persecuted so we MUST be the true religion" theory.......

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it's great to be free

by javagal in

well i promised myself i wasn't going to let my jw parents in on what the borganization is holding back from them but i did it today anyways... i couldn't stand one more minute of their "wonderful" religion and how terrific it all is so i said that i was watching the news (this forum is quite informative - could be called news :) ) and then told her the entire story about the un and the jw's involvement with it.... but of course she can't believe that and if it is true there must be a reason for it.

i said i couldn't think of any reason to be part of the "disgusting thing"....that was completely true i didn't tell her that the disgusting thing was the wtbts not the un... so anyways long and short of it is that she is going to have to wait and see if it is tru.

she is certain the watchtower will explain why very soon and if not it doesn't matter she knows that she is in the right organization.

javagal

Well I promised myself I wasn't going to let my JW parents in on what the borganization is holding back from them but I did it today anyways... I couldn't stand one more minute of their "wonderful" religion and how terrific it all is so I said that I was watching the news (this forum is quite informative - could be called news :) ) and then told her the entire story about the UN and the JW's involvement with it.... But of course she can't believe that and if it is true there must be a reason for it. I said I couldn't think of any reason to be part of the "disgusting thing"....That was completely true I didn't tell her that the disgusting thing was the WTBTS not the UN..

So anyways long and short of it is that she is going to have to wait and see if it is tru. She is certain the Watchtower will explain why very soon and if not it doesn't matter she knows that she is in the right organization. I was just so thankful after talking to her that I can see the society for what it really is. I hope that God will give them that vision soon enough as well but if not I am closer to God now then I ever was.

It would be nice if the JW's could see that it is more important to be serving God then that ****ing organization..

thanks for letting me vent

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Does anyone get scared?

by aud8 in

does anyone who has left the organisation ever get scared at current world events and what they seem to be leading to?

more and more the governments are getting fed up with religion, there is now more than even a call "for" peace rather than "of" peace and security.

bin laden and his extremist religious views would give rise to the thought that governments will in the future be intent on eradicating religion altogether due to the trouble it causes.

javagal

Well I suppose that I am one of those stupid apostates as well. The elders tell me I am so therefore it must be true. The statement that I made about my "worldly" friends being much more loving then my "witness" friends was enough to get me branded as such...so I say So be it!!! I know for a fact that Jehovah and Jesus are not that sort of vendictive beings. I know for a fact that I love them and I would never spit in their faces unlike the WTBTS. I am not the one turning my back on God's love. The organization is. If they are so divinely inspired then why are new "sheep" told to disregard any publications over 20 years old as they are "outdated". Why do they have to republish completely new versions of their books every few years to make revisions (example, family book, truth book and the list goes on). Does Jehovah continually reprint the bible to make revisions NO because he is unchanging...therefore if he chose to have an organized religion on earth it would be unchanging as well. JW's are not a religion that has been around for 150 years, their teachings, philosophies and beliefs have been reinvented by men over and over and essentially only the documentation from the last 10 - 15 years is to be considered.
Certainly they have maintained their teachings of Armaggedon and the great crowd (at least to some extent from 1935 - then before that I suppose Jehovah forgot to mention about the millions of people that would follow him so he is making a paradise exclusively for them). So with that I can understand the uneasiness some former JW's may feel with current world conditions. My parents never cease to tell me EXACTLY how the world events are fitting into Jehovah's master plan. Just like JF Rutherford in 1940 stating that there would be no other assemblies as god's day would happen within that year. Well a whole generation has passed since that speech.
But I do believe there will be a day of reckoning, as it were, the bible points to such a judgment day, a day of divine retribution but the bible also states there is a way for safety. It does not say we need to be part of an organization or religion it simply says "call on the name of God". I believe that is all anyone will need to do, whether they call god Budda, Allah, Jesus, Lord, God or even Jehovah. Certainly the WTBTS says there is way more to it then that.....but keeping the bible pure it says...."ANYONE who calls on the name of god will be saved"

So whether that day be tomorrow or 1000 years from now people who fear and love god will be saved (even us stupid apostates). God is love and I certainly believe there may even be some sincere JW's among those he will help. Remember Christ died not just for JW's sins but for the whole worlds so it doesn't need to be a complete devastation like Noah's day or Sodom and Gomorrah...

There are 2 commandments - love God and love your neighbor....if it was imperative that you get in 12.5 hours of service per week and attend at least 87.9% of all meetings don't you think Jesus would have let us in on that?

Javagal

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Senior moments

by datsdethspicable in

senior moments.

three sisters ages 72, 74, and 76 live in a house together.

one night the 76 year old draws a bath.

javagal

A couple are sitting together in a restaurant celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary. The old lady asks her husband "Do you remember the first time we were here?"
"How could I forget?" He replies "I took you out back and you grabbed hold of the fence and I went at you from behind, how could I ever forget an evening like that"
They look nostalgically at one another and the husband says "So what do you say wanna give it another go"
"You are quite frisky for an old man" She says "but why not let's do it"
As they headed out the backdoor a police officer was sitting at the next booth and had overheard the entire conversation. He decided he would follow them to make sure they weren't disturbed 'what harm can they do' he figured. So as he stood guard in the alley he could see their silhouttes. The lady dropped her bloomers and the gentleman his pants and they grabbed the fence and started going at it. The officer was amazed at how wild and passionate their escapade was. Yelling "oh my god" and slamming almost violently against the fence. The rendezvous continued for almost an hour wild and passionate the entire time. The police officer was amazed. Admitting that he had a new respect for old people and wondering if his parents still made love like this. Finally after about an hour the couple collapsed onto the grass, moaning and gasping for air. The police officer decided that he needed to talk to them and find out what their secret was. What kept their love alive for 50 years. So he approached the couple.
"Excuse me" he said "but I happened to notice the two of you and I was just wondering if you could let me in on your secret. Has nothing changed for you in the past 50 years?"
The old man looked up at him and replied "Not much has changed other then they have electrified the fence" :I

Thought you all may enjoy that story. hee hee

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What are apostates?

by mindfield in

first off, let me tell you that i don't view you guys, or myself, as apostates.

that word somehow carries along with it a negative sense of destruction and hate.

what i'm wondering is, what is an apostate then?

javagal

Apostate is a word I have heard often the past few weeks. The elders when they came to find out why I haven't been attending meetings decided to tell me that I sounded like an apostate. This of course considerably upset my father (likewise an elder) and when he questioned them about it they told him that I was stating that my "worldly" friends have been better to me then the witnesses and that sounded like apostate talk. To me it sounds like the truth.
What puzzles me is the fact that the society puts a heavier fine (as it were) on people that speak up about the organization. They immediately term them apostates. the most evil of the evil. However the ones that go against god's moral laws may be disfellowshipped if completely unrepentent. How is it that the WTS has become so much grander then Jehovah himself that they can judge so much heavier then he does. I agree with the point that Judas was an apostate and was evil there may be a few people like Judas but I have yet to talk to any. The people I have met on this board are just tired of the bs from the WTS and are intelligent enough to look for the answers where they lie in the BIBLE not the Watchtower. If looking to God's word instead of man's for my spirituality makes me an apostate then so be it. I will still say my "worldly" friends are better then 90% of the people in the organization. As for the WTS it seems to be so full of crap that I am going to need a bigger shovel.

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Wow!!! Was I wrong!!!!

by javagal in

well, i have been reading and lurking around this site for a little bit now.

in truth i have a friend that is a christian and he has tried to get me to look at sites like this for the past 10 months.

i have always refused as it is all "apostate run" and just "packed with lies".

javagal

Well, I have been reading and lurking around this site for a little bit now. In truth I have a friend that is a Christian and he has tried to get me to look at sites like this for the past 10 months. I have always refused as it is all "apostate run" and just "packed with lies". I kept telling him the only people who talk on these forums are people who have been d'fed and have a hate on for the WTS. I can't believe how wrong I was. This site is filled with people who truly love god and see him for what he must be LOVE not rules and regiment. I can't believe how close most of you are to the same feelings I have been having. I thought maybe I could take this time to write my story and hopefully some of you very intelligent people can help me with this difficult period in my life.

Firstly, like most I was raised a good little JW girl. My dad is an elder and I got baptized when I was 12 (age of understanding I suppose considering I am now 32 and still do not understand).

Anyways, I am very intelligent and was accepted full scholorship to a law university. However, as my parents would say it is not the place for a witness and you do not need an education like that as the end wil be here before you can use it. So I went to work at social services and regular aux pio. When I was 19 I was kidnapped at gun point by a man that stalked me for months. He locked me in my own basement and killed my dog show me what would happen if I got away. He was a very smooth talker and told my parents that I did not want to talk to them and that we were going to get married. I was of course d'fed within 2 weeks. I did escape and went to my parent's home they would not help me as they felt I was just making up a story to escape punishment. In fact, when this man showed up at their home my dad insisted that I go with him to figure this all out. This man then handcuffed me to the back seat of my car and drove me 2000 miles from my home and family. During the next 3 years I would try to contact my parents on occasion (from women's shelters and the like) and my mom would hang up on me stating I was d'fed and she had to do as Jehovah (she meant organization) told her to. This man was extremely abusive and eventually he beat me to the point that I was in coma for 3 months (he is now serving a life sentence for attempted murder and kidnapping of me). The only help I ever received was from my "worldly" friends and acquaintances. Shortly following my recovery I became pregnant with my son and decided that it was time to do what had to be done so that he could know his family. So I returned home and because I was in the process of getting reinstated my family was allowed to talk to me. Shortly after I got reinstated I married a "worldly" man that I knew so I was never considered "good association". When I became pregnant with my daughter he decided that he was going to return to his ex-wife. Well after the "scriptural divorce" my parents insisted that I marry this witness brother because then everything would be fine. Still being the obediant little girl I did as they wanted. I moved about 500 miles away to be with him, new cong. etc. Well 3 years into the marriage I realized that he was just never going to change I tried to work with him according to bible standards etc but he was terribly emotionally abusive to my 2 children. They were shells of themselves and eventually I decided that I could not deal with that anymore and left. We have been apart now for almost a year and he continues to insist that I have to get back with him as I do not have "Scriptural grounds for divorce". Shortly after the separation I had him arrested for break and entering into my home and when it came time for court there he was with the elders by his side.

Well after the separation I stopped going to meetings and a few months later was diagnosed with cancer and had to go through surgery and chemo. How many times do you think my brothers and sisters or the elders called to see if I was alright or needed anything NONE even though they were all very aware of my circumstances. Then after I recovered a rumor started to spread that I had a boyfriend. THE DAY the elders heard the rumor I had 3 phone calls asking about it....Talk about angry and they have the nerve to tell me that all my "worldly" friends that cared for my children, helped pay for my medication, brought me to my doctors appointments, called me everyday, stayed with me while I was so sick and still love and truly care for me are not as valuable in god's eyes as those hypocrites. I call BS

Well a few months ago I had my d'fed sister and her baby move in with me as she was leaving a physically abusive relationship. My dad proceeds to tell me that I will have to have her move out if I want favour in God's eyes. Maybe he forgot that Jesus said "let them come to me, all those who are toiled down".

Now this past Sunday I had "the visit" by the elders and I felt that I should address my concerns as to the apparent lack of love. Insisting of course that I do love Jehovah and Jesus deeply but I do not understand certain things with the organization. But they were more interested in making me weep uncontrollably and saying that I was sounding like an apostate (I guess they were upset that they couldn't find any moral grounds to d'f me again) Then I walked away and they started on my sister. I suppose it makes them feel very important that they can make to girls cry. So now I figure that I fit in with all the rest of you "apostates". You know that has the root word apostle which I feel most of you are closer to being then anyone I have met through the WTBS.

My dilemma lays in my relationship with my parents. I do not want them to cut off all communication with me and my children as they are family and I do love them. However, I am so frightened for them as I can see the cult they are still so actively involved in and just wish I could show them that loving God isn't equivalant to loving the organization. But if I say anything.... you know... It's like being a kid that is supposed to be seen and not heard... Just behave and stay in line right? I don't think the narrow road Jesus was refering to was their narrow minds and I really don't want to live forever when the only man I will ever be allowed to be with is an emotionally abusive, depressed and suicidal individual that I do not care for.

Well I suppose I have blathered on long enough. I just wanted to let you know who I am and to say thanks for all the loving and kind advice that most of you ex-JW's seem to have. Hugs to you all for making me feel I am not alone.