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  Up yours!!! Jw religion!!

  by Julia Orwell in

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  i just got a job teaching in a school run by moderate muslims.

  the students are muslim and do their prayers at school and have daily quran lessons.

  my job is to teach art, english literacy and literature, and history.

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  Fernando

  Congratulations Julia, I'm sure you'll have a blast, and be surprised just how moderate and normal most people can be despite religion.
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  Does the bible have a central theme? Does it prove inspiration?

  by GreenhornChristian in

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  does the bible have a central theme?.

  there seems to be a general consensus throughout christian religions that there is a consistent theme throughout the bible.

  the seeming evidence of a theme coming from a collection of books written by over 40 different authors over a period of 1500 years is what givse credence to the claim that the bible is an inspired literary work.

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  Fernando

  Personally I have found the central message (or theme) of scripture to be the legal custody battle, over us the children, fought by means of controlling religion versus the liberating gospel message of grace.

  Religion	Gospel OT/NT	Main Book/s
  Death	Salvation	Psalms/Acts/Romans
  Enmity	Atonement/Reconciliation	Leviticus/Rom/2Cor
  Bondage	Deliverance/Liberation	Exodus/Galatians
  Decay	Restoration	Isaiah/Ezekiel/Hosea
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  To Transfuse or Not To Transfuse

  by Chris Tann in

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  when my son became baptized as a witness at age nine, it worried me that he could now get a no blood card.

  i wanted to make sure if blood transfusions were really as disgusting to "jehovah" as i was taught.

  i already found out some things about my beliefs that were not true, so it wasn't hard for me to be questionable about this.. i first looked in the reasoning book under blood as to why we don't accept transfusions.

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  Fernando

  Ray Franz, in speaking about the blood doctrine I believe, pointed out how apostate "legalism" leads to a "morass of inconsistencies".

  Now it is OK to take parts of donated blood, but not OK to donate blood?!
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  Christians: Question about, "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you..."

  by Zoos in

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  Fernando

  Ultimately we are all called to obey "the truth" of "the Good News", and to disobey religion/ists.

  Did Jesus lead people to, or away from, the elders and Governing Body (Matt 23 esp v15)?
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  Christians: Question about, "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you..."

  by Zoos in

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  Fernando

  Great question.

  What The Searcher said - spot on I believe.

  Lead how?

  • As genuine servant leaders.
  • No clericalism.
  • No hierarchy.
  • No VISIBLE organisation
  • No coercion
  • No abuse
  • Not controlling
  • Not authoritarian
  • Not self-centred
  • Not self-willed

  Who lead?

  • Spiritually mature persons.
  • Who have been granted the free gift of faith.
  • Who obey the liberating gospel of grace.
  • Not legalists
  • Not moralists
  • Not religionists
  • Not materialists
  • No labels
  • No titles
  • No human appointment

  Lead where?

  • To Jesus via the map (5 solas)
  • Not to "Christless Christianity"
  • Not to human middlemen (mediators)
  • Not to self-righteousness via works-righteousness
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  What exactly do the Governing body(TM) do?

  by punkofnice in

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  a genuine question really.. do they actually make desicions or are they simple sock puppets for the lawyers?.

  are they just a front (like the queen is in the uk), with little or no desicion making input?.

  do they just give talks and make appearances?.

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  Fernando

  CTR described the outcome quite well:

  "The endeavor to compel all men to think alike on all subjects, culminated in the great apostasy and the development of the great papal system, and thereby the gospel, the one faith that Paul and the other apostles set forth, was lost - buried under the mass of uninspired decrees of popes and councils. The unity of the early church, based upon the simple gospel and bound only by love, gave place to the bondage of the church of Rome ... Each new reform movement (like Protestantism) has made the failure of attempting to make a creed just large enough for its prime movers ." --WT, Sep. 1893, p. 1572
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  What exactly do the Governing body(TM) do?

  by punkofnice in

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  a genuine question really.. do they actually make desicions or are they simple sock puppets for the lawyers?.

  are they just a front (like the queen is in the uk), with little or no desicion making input?.

  do they just give talks and make appearances?.

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  Fernando

  The GB quite simply advance apostate clericalism.

  Along with its apostate cronies legalism, moralism, supremacist ethnocentrism, and religious Gnosticism.
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  Can you help with a definition for Evolution?

  by Fernando in

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  i'm trying to pin down a definition for evolution, hopefully in plain english, and some questions have come to mind:.

  is this a fool's errand?.

  has evolution itself evolved?.

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  Fernando

  Thank you too Phizzy, and I look forward to learning more and understanding better.
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  The Art of Hypocrisy - How Jehovah's Witnesses worship a symbol

  by BluePill2 in

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  it has been a while since i've seen a witness, either in person or virtually.

  searching for someone on facebook took me to the profile of a ministerial servant that i know.

  i scrolled through his wall to see who is still around and found this gem:.

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  Fernando

  The Art of Propaganda, at which the WBTS excels, comes to mind for me:

  *** w56 6/15 p. 360 Getting and Giving the Thoughts of God ***
  We usually believe what we want to believe, and one thing we like to believe is that we do our own thinking. Hence it is not too hard for clever propagandists to make us think their thoughts are ours. They plant the thought and nourish it, but do it so subtly that we think it is our own.
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  An Invitation to ex JW`s in Australia to pm me ,especially in the Melbourne or Brisbane areas but not excluding other aussies from other areas .

  by smiddy in

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  my wife and i were witnesses in the melbourne area from 1960-70 covering 5 congregations before moving to an area just north of brisbane for the best part of another23 years which involved another 5 congregations .. maybe our paths crossed or your parents and our paths crossed or people you know crossed our paths .. if you are inclined , i would love to hear from you via pm for privacy , or if you prefer here.. smiddy.

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  Fernando

  Hey smiddy, I'm in South East Queensland, and would be happy to meet up for a coffee sometime, and/or exchange PMs.

  Greetings Fernando