Posts by JanH
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16Have You Lost Your Mind?
by WildTurkey inits funny when you think about what the dubs say about us, if they know we are out of the org.
for not believing anymore, they think we have lost our minds, that we are crazy, mentally corrupt.
even if one repents and goes back to the borg he is watched like a hawk.. but now if one has sex with a goat or he runs off with another woman and leaves behind his wife and children to provide for themselves, or he screws you out of your money and leaves you broke, but repents he was not crazy, it was a moment of weakness.
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album cover art!!!
by Incense_and_Peppermints inprime time.
i'll give you my prime time.
i'm saving my prime time for you.
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JanH
I have this album cover as a poster at home:
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Where are the Feminine women?
by 4skins insome months ago i took my annual vacation to the land of kangaroos--you know--where men are men and sheep are skittish?
as a social commentator i have a vested interest observing cultural changes and trends, etc.
in the professions and trades in oz the genders dress as androgynous as their counterparts in the us.
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JanH
* damn, out of popcorn and the show's still on. now where's the beer? *
Nobody has been evil enough to crosspost to this thread yet, soI'll do it:
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Why do WOMEN remain Believers???
by JT inhttp://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/women.html .
the following is merely my opinion on the issue and while some may disagree and that is their right im sure that there are those who will fully understand what i am talking about- (aint it nice to be able to disagree and not be called wicked smile).
since leaving wt and looking back i have been often wondered and it has.
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Will,
So do you think some of my points are valid? Is this a left over from our primeval ancestors religious belief system?
Undoubtedly. I think oppression of women is as ancient as humanity. Of course we have no sources to the earliest times, so anything I say can be brushed aside as 'speculation'....
First, men are on the whole physically stronger than women. We know that the strong oppressing the weaker is a common element in all of human history. The concept of human rights and equalty is, alas, a pretty recent development.
Second, biologically all species have an incentive to bring on their genes. We are not slaves to our genes, but they do influence us. Women and men both invest enormous resources in bringing up, feeding and protecting their offspring. Women would know that the child they are bringing up carries their genes. Men would have to ensure that women were 'protected' against other men to achieve this. There is certainly an incentive for oppression of females here.
Religion serves to justify those in power. In the case of genders, we see the OT laws treat women as the property of first their fathers, and then their husbands. Adultery was a crime against the property rights of the husband (literally, the "owner of the woman" in the OT). It is not hard to see how such primitive ideas were developed into a sophisticated legal system, justified by claiming these rules came from divine sources.
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Revealing ID safe here?
by happysunshine inis it safe to reveal your identity, location, personal details, etc.
on this site?
or are there any sickos prowling around?
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JanH
Farkel,
That's because even the CIA doesn't know where "Bergen" is located. There are precisely TWO people on this planet who know its whereabouts: you, and the other guy who lives there. Everyone else who did know about it, froze to death years ago.
Actually, the other guy drank himself to death last Saturday, leaving only me.
But, well, the CIA learned where Kabul is last year. They may find Bergen one day.
Psst: Here is Bergen right now (don't tell the CIA!): http://kamera.ba.no/bilde.cgi?id=vagen;lang=no
Thats because youre the stalker, JanH. lol
Heck, WT. Don't tell on me You scare away the chicks.
- Jan
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IS the NWT really the WT Bible?
by Bleep injust wondered how many people this this is all true.
feel free to really think about this one and provide proof and examples.
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JanH
StinkyPantz,
Thanks for posting the list of quotations from scholars who disagree with the NWT rendering. From context, it obviously refers to the particular rendering of John 1:1.
I have to point out one inaccuracy, though.
When asked in a Scotland courtroom if he could translate Genesis 2:4 into Hebrew, Franz replied that he could not. The truth is that Franz was unable to translate Hebrew or Greek.
This is a misquotation. Greg Stafford answered the charge from the JW point of view, and as far as I know this is pretty much correct:
"In discussions concerning the identity and credentials of the NWT translators, it is common for critics of the NWT to point to what they consider reliable data on just how knowledgeable one of the presumed translators was in Hebrew. That translator was F.W. Franz, the fourth president of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. However, although consideration will here be given to this "reliable data," it cannot be confirmed that Franz was indeed a member of the New World Bible Translation Committee, as no such official word has come from the WTB&TS or other members of the Translation Committee."
"In an attempt to discredit the scholarly nature of the NWT," some "cite the cross-examination of Fredrick W. Franz from the Douglas Walsh trial in the country of Great Britain in the year 1954. This trial was held to establish whether or not Jehovah's Witnesses should be recognized as a legal religious organization in Scotland. Consider the following cross examination:
Cross: "You, yourself, read and speak Hebrew, do you?"
Franz: "I do not speak Hebrew."
Cross: "You do not?"
Franz: "No."
Cross: "Can you, yourself, translate that into Hebrew?"
Franz: "Which?"
Cross: "That fourth verse of the Second Chapter of Genesis."
Franz: "You mean here?"
Cross: "Yes."
Franz: "No. I won't attempt to do that.""Some will say, that Franz like the others on the NWT Committee cannot translate Hebrew or Greek. Let us assume for the moment that Franz could not speak or read Hebrew. How in the world does this prove that Franz could not translate Greek? Franz studied Greek for two years at the University of Cincinnati, and undoubtedly continued his study of the language after he decided to become a full-time minister. Also, how does this testimony imply that the other Committee members were unable to translate Hewbrew or Greek? Of course, it does not."
"Why would he (Franz) refuse to attempt to translate the verse? Perhaps the answer to this question will be better understood after we consider the following comments from William Sanford LaSor:"
"All learning is in context. The context, however, is not artificial, composed perchance by one who does not use the language naturally, but rather it is the actual language of those who used it as their mother-tongue. For this reason, I refuse to ask the students to compose sentences in Hebrew. To do so is to impress errors on the student's mind. And, frankly, most of us who teach Biblical Hebrew do not have sufficient fluency in the language to speak or write in it."
"Now, considering Franz' earlier testimony, that he had made himself familiar with Hebrew, and that he could read and follow the Bible in Hebrew, and his admission that he could not speak Hebrew, we can certainly understand Franz' refusal to translate Genesis 2:4 from English into Hebrew (not Hebrew into English). For, as LaSor points out, even most teachers of Biblical Hebrew 'do not have sufficient fluency in the language to speak or write in it.'"
Taken from "Jehovah's Witnesses Defended: An answer to scholars and critics" by Greg Stafford
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Why do WOMEN remain Believers???
by JT inhttp://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/women.html .
the following is merely my opinion on the issue and while some may disagree and that is their right im sure that there are those who will fully understand what i am talking about- (aint it nice to be able to disagree and not be called wicked smile).
since leaving wt and looking back i have been often wondered and it has.
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ballistic,
Secondly the reason was that there seems to be a small concensus that in the process of leaving the org, our standards drop.
I don't see it as "dropping" standards. I see it as rejecting silly rules there are no rational basis for. I see, for example, no reason to assume morality has any bearing on sex between consenting adults, but this is a big thing for fundamentalist groups, and the dubs.
Of course, there are exceptions. Many exJWs tend to go overboard with e.g. restricted substances, or mindlessly trying "everything.".
- Jan
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Where are the Feminine women?
by 4skins insome months ago i took my annual vacation to the land of kangaroos--you know--where men are men and sheep are skittish?
as a social commentator i have a vested interest observing cultural changes and trends, etc.
in the professions and trades in oz the genders dress as androgynous as their counterparts in the us.
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4skins,
Did you volunteer to all this beating up just to get Moe & others to show off their feminine charms? Clever idea! Was it worth it?
- Jan
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Men only.
by TruckerGB indrug warning.. police warn all clubbers,partygoers and unsuspecting pub regulars to be alert and stay cautious when offered a drink from any woman.a new date rape drug on the market called beer is used by many females to target unsuspecting men.
the drug is generally found in liquid form and is now available almost anywhere.. it comes in bottles,cans,from taps and in large kegs.. beer is used by female sexual predators at parties and bars to persuade their male victims to go home and have sex with them.typically,a woman needs only to persuade a guy to consume a few units of beer and then simply ask him home for no strings attached sex.men are rendered helpless against this approach.. after several beers men will often succumb to desires to perform sexual acts on women to whom they would never be normally attracted.after drinking beer men often awaken with only hazy memories of exactly what happened to them the night before,often with just a vague feeling that something occurred.. at other times these unfortunate men are swindled out of their life savings in a familiar scam known as a relationship.
it has been reported that in extreme cases,the female may even be shrewd enough to entrap the unsuspecting male into a longer term form of servitude and punishment referred to as marriage.. apperently,men are much more susceptible to this scam after beer is administered and sex offered by the predatory female.. please!
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kat,
very funny....why men only? I think females would find that funny too...
Hence the "men only" subject. Nothing drags women into a thread faster
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Men only.
by TruckerGB indrug warning.. police warn all clubbers,partygoers and unsuspecting pub regulars to be alert and stay cautious when offered a drink from any woman.a new date rape drug on the market called beer is used by many females to target unsuspecting men.
the drug is generally found in liquid form and is now available almost anywhere.. it comes in bottles,cans,from taps and in large kegs.. beer is used by female sexual predators at parties and bars to persuade their male victims to go home and have sex with them.typically,a woman needs only to persuade a guy to consume a few units of beer and then simply ask him home for no strings attached sex.men are rendered helpless against this approach.. after several beers men will often succumb to desires to perform sexual acts on women to whom they would never be normally attracted.after drinking beer men often awaken with only hazy memories of exactly what happened to them the night before,often with just a vague feeling that something occurred.. at other times these unfortunate men are swindled out of their life savings in a familiar scam known as a relationship.
it has been reported that in extreme cases,the female may even be shrewd enough to entrap the unsuspecting male into a longer term form of servitude and punishment referred to as marriage.. apperently,men are much more susceptible to this scam after beer is administered and sex offered by the predatory female.. please!
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JanH
Jo,
Yeah right, since when did women need beer to get guys to have no-string sex? Last I checked you all were begging for this kind of an arrangement from the lady crowd...
Ugly ladies may need it
- Jan
