i am.
i know some pretty sharp, critically minded people, and i am surprised they still are active witnesses.
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two possible situations, but the same conclusion:
1) the society is always right, therefore evidence for Gods backing
2) if the society was wrong, it was (will be) corrected by jehovah, therefore evidence of Gods backing.
In line with that, even if some critical JW see something wrong in current teaching, they will wait until point 2) will come true.
i know some who always questioned the elders, the society, and others because they were typically skeptical.. there are those who just seemed to want to believe whatever they were told.. i was more a skeptic, during my last decade.. .
doubts i had before awakening:
"1975 fiasco was a mistake of the brothers not the org", always bugged me to blame poor brothers, who before 75 would have been commended as spirtually strong...
"civil service is wrong" (before 96) never understood the reasoning
"birthdays, toasting is wrong, marriage rings, honeymoon ok" were is the consistency ?
"animals will live in peace" just watching my own pets prooved otherwise, they were created to kill and hunt...
"beards" where in the bible does it indicate anything about wearing beards is wrong ?
"higher education" always bugged me, was very happy, when a more reasonable approach came in early 90`s (unfortunately we are back, even worse than before 90)
later on as an elder, therefore according to the org being also a judge reminded me of Jesus warning, not to judge...could not reconcile this
However, here is my point, despite these doubts, despite even acknowledging the fallibility of the GB, it still was Gods org for me.
Only the tighter grip and adding of rules like the famous KM 09/07, the "Gods love"-book, and other rules and regulations made me look somewhere else for information, and here I am....
jehovah's witness battles in kansas court for bloodless transplant .... kansas city star - brad cooper-1 hour ago.
but she also would have to compromise her jehovah's witness principles, because she would receive a blood transfusion, something she believes violates god's ...transplant case pits religion, medicaid rules -kansas.com.
get in and comment expose deadly watchtower dogma shows how unpractical bloodless elective surgeries can be wants $250.000 k for operation.
coffee_black: that is terrible, and I´m very sorry for that. Surely in his mind it must have been a capital sin to take an organ transplant, and he would have lost the favour of God. I also know, the moral liability for that is on the WTS, no doubt.
However, regarding the legal liability, those celebrated lawyers of the society would surely insist, it was a consciences decision, since no church actions would follow, if he accepted an organ transplant. Thats their twist on things, therefore my question was, whether cannibalism would lead to dfd.
jehovah's witness battles in kansas court for bloodless transplant .... kansas city star - brad cooper-1 hour ago.
but she also would have to compromise her jehovah's witness principles, because she would receive a blood transfusion, something she believes violates god's ...transplant case pits religion, medicaid rules -kansas.com.
get in and comment expose deadly watchtower dogma shows how unpractical bloodless elective surgeries can be wants $250.000 k for operation.
dozy: I was not aware of this statement, that judicial actions should not be taken, in the article of 80. Even if there was no case, at least it seemed to be a probability. I´ll have to check, what the current stance is regarding real cannibalism. If this is reason for dfd, then we can conclude, viewing transplant as cannibalsim was indeed ground for dfd, and I withdraw my former statement.
jehovah's witness battles in kansas court for bloodless transplant .... kansas city star - brad cooper-1 hour ago.
but she also would have to compromise her jehovah's witness principles, because she would receive a blood transfusion, something she believes violates god's ...transplant case pits religion, medicaid rules -kansas.com.
get in and comment expose deadly watchtower dogma shows how unpractical bloodless elective surgeries can be wants $250.000 k for operation.
dozy: sorry for nitpicking, but organ transplants, while heavy frowned upon from 67 to 80, were no disfellowshipping offense.
Regarding the case: anybody know, if there were kind of fund rasing among witnesses to pay for this sister, in case she would loose the court case ?
i have a long history in this cult, at various levels.
a few of you, out there in cyberspace, share a similar experience - but many do not.. i'm going to tell you how to interpret things that happen in the organization, as well as what is written in the magazines.. it's not terribly difficult because they are so reactionary.
a fellow bethelite corrected me on this point when i accused them of being fascists.
sounds about right, the whole structur contributes to that, elders report to CO, CO and DO report to the branch, branch to headquarter, writing department is assigned with corresponding articles....its all reaction, no divine revelation, or at least real leadership....
so...i heard the speaker during the memorial mention this.
he said for a fact, that judas would not have been present.
however, upon reading luke 22, you see clearly that the argument about judas started after jesus instituted the new covenant.
very interesting, never thought about it before. Yes, I can see why both sides have arguemnts for and against, however, it is the "certainty" of the WTS that upsets me.
WTS clearly lacks humility, thinking of themsleves as mouthpiece of God, they seem to be forced (by themselves) always to have answers.
You are not allowed to disagree, until they disagree with themselves (new light ).
"A state of doubt is unpleasant, but a state of certainty is ridiculous." Voltaire
last night, i watched an r rated movie that featured violence.
at least 30 people were shot in the first 45 min of the movie.. while i was in and an elder, i watched r rated movies all the time just didn't talk about it.
so how many of you watched r rated movies even though "mother" said not to?.
never understood the big fuzz about R-rated movied over in the US. Its not such a big deal here, just avoid gore or porn content. The rest is pretty much up to the conscience. Of course we also have those extreme ones, they frown upon anything "worldly".
oh, and "twilight" is also a big no no ...even though many young witnesses watch it regardless..
i might be rambling on.... i attended the meeting tonight.
i'm not sure how it is in other halls.
there are about 120 publishers in our hall, in the midwest.
sorry, btw, welcome hotiwitabody234
i might be rambling on.... i attended the meeting tonight.
i'm not sure how it is in other halls.
there are about 120 publishers in our hall, in the midwest.
I dont think we should read too much into this simplified approach of the WTS.
The growth, in especially western lands, is due to immigrants, with poor English skills. Mostly they attend the Watchtower study, with a puzzled face during many paragraphs, and comment sometimes saying "Jehovah" or "Jesus loves us" etc...
For those people, it is important to get the point: Obey the slave, then you can get saved....
