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  Summer Convention at Twickenham now gone, UK

  by jookbeard in

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  i believe this is the first year that the uk wont have a summer dc at this historical old rugby stadium (which is now one of the finest arenas in the uk) the costs to rent it must be astronomical these days, and it appears they are having multiple dates at the excel arena in london plus milton keynes is being used , many memories for me from a baby onwards making the yearly trip there, the dusty old stadium, the long walks to the car parks, working on the field security, getting burnt to a crisp or being poured on, binoculars !

  food tickets, meeting at the lion gates checking the talent, and on the final day drinking the local pub dry the barny arms, end of an era!

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  Memories ......I used like watching the planes (Concorde was a so noisy they had to stop talking on the platform). There was always a pair of Kestrels nesting the old green corrugated stands.
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  Annointed 144k only male?

  by JerryTX in

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  i was told there was new light by a former jw.

  i wanted to verify if it was true.

  the new light claims the annointed class/144k is always male.

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  I expect what they mean is the FDS are only male, which is correct.
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  Did JESUS Choose a MANMADE RELIGION?

  by Cold Steel in

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  if jesus was enthroned in 1914, and if he inspected all of the earth's religions in 1919, choosing the wtbts as his, then wasn't he choosing a religion that was manmade?

  if he didn't choose it until 1919, then what was the watchtower organization in 1918 or, for that matter, in 1914?

  and what happened to the church jesus organized when he said anciently, "i will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"?.

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  This coming from a Mormon - lol
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  Why don’t we have a better story?

  by iconoclastic in

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  2. beliefs

  1. some say we are all gods, and god is omnipresent..

  2. some say: god created his children who later challenged his sovereignty, who in turn asked his eldest son: go down to the world, do not resist the wicked, but be murdered by them, the value of which will be used to atone the sins of the world..

  3. universe arose out of a big bang.

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  cantleave

  Good grief - I have just read this thread. This ignorance has produced intense pain......

  I need to magic up one of those beers.
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  My experience of christians and religion

  by Doltologist in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  one or two of you have noticed that i use derogatory terms when talking about matters religion.

  i offer no apology.

  you do, however, deserve an explanation.. my father, bless him and now dead, was a survivor of belsen, the german concentration camp.

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  Dolt - I too have enjoyed your posts on this forum. You and I see pretty much eye to eye when it comes to religion although my experience has primarily been JW.

  Saying that, I have been to my local village church on a few occasions (son was in Scouts daughter in Guides). Last time I went I wore a Flying Spaghetti Monster Tee shirt! I think some people feel I was being disrespectful - I don't think respect is deserved.
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  Are atheists more likely to be morally good than Christians?

  by FusionTheism in

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  i have no problem saying atheists and christians are equal.. but some people seem to have the belief that atheists are more likely to be morally good, or more likely to change the world for good, than christians and theists.. but what evidence do you have to support this claim?.

  if atheism is what causes people to do great positive things for the world, then why weren't martin luther king, jr., william wilberforce, isaac newton, francis collins, barack obama, mother theresa, abraham lincoln, or john f. kennedy atheists?.

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  I have thought about this long and hard. I have come to the conclusion that all those I know who worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster (may we all be touched by his noodliness) seem to be extremely well rounded and moral human beings. The values they obtain from His gospel have molded them into decent moral human beings, I genuinely feel that without a belief in Him these people would be out committing all sorts of atrocities.

  Alternatively it could just be that animals that live in herds are more successful if they cooperate rather than antagonise the group and will often reap rewards for positive behaviour.

  Your question is built on a straw man argument.

  BTW Mother Theresa was an evil self serving bitch.
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  Proof - of what?

  by Doltologist in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

  being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

  the first was called "was life created?

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  Tel - did you watch that video? I would love to read your response. If you didn't watch it, then you might as well stop posting on this thread, as you obviously are happy swimming in the sea of ignorance.
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  Proof - of what?

  by Doltologist in

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  a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

  being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

  the first was called "was life created?

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  .....assumes that the reader lacks knowledge and is gullible.

  That is the modus operandi of this cult. The Rank and file are told they get the best education possible on religion and science through the litter-trash produced by the WTS. So when they knock on your door they really believe they have knowledge that you don't.

  Remember that cults thrive on providing simplistic answers to complex questions to people who are too lazy to do their own research.
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  Very Offensive Statement Directed To JW Parents-Watchtower 4/15/2015 Page 11 Paragraph 9

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wt is insinuating, worse yet, blaming senior jw parents for there not being more younger brothers reaching out to be ministerial servants and elders.

  page 11 paragraph 9 reads as follows: .

  "elders in affluent lands may face an added challenge: how to motivate baptized brothers in their 20s or 30s to get involved in congregation activities.

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  The truth is, in many congregations the goalposts are continually being moved for those who are reaching out, in the end enthusiasm wanes and the young brother gives up trying.

  Alternatively the young brother looks at the stressed out, overworked elders and thinks "I don't want want to end up like those suckers!"
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  All Christians Should Accept EVOLUTION

  by FusionTheism in

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  2. beliefs

  it is time for christians to accept evolution, in my opinion.. there are many reasons why i think it is long overdue for all christians to finally accept what science says about evolution.

  below i will show these reasons.. .

  the bible tells people to pay attention to nature to see the glory of god (psalm 19; romans 1:19-20).

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  cantleave

  Some Jews and Christians have long considered the creation account of Genesis as an allegory instead of as historical description,

  Somehow I don't think that included the founders of Christianity or the early church