jesus was gay - says academic
jesus was gay and so were at least three of his 12 disciples, according to an australian academic.. .
dr rollan mccleary said jesus's astrological chart, clues in the scriptures and biblical translations, all played a part in his conclusions.. in a forthcoming book, he attempts to present st john's gospel in a new light to back up his claims, reports the herald sun.. dr rollan mccleary, a university of queensland phd graduate who now lives in melbourne, has just been awarded his doctorate for a thesis on gay spirituality.. an anglican and a qualified reader of astrological charts, dr mccleary said the planet uranus figured prominently in jesus's astrological chart, as it did with many gays..
BTW the June 15 2003 WT is about Jesus!
It asks the question 'Do you believe in the existence of the man named Albert Einstein'? Excuse we have masses of information about him from all areas...at the time he lived. If no one spkoke of him 200 years we would find it funny, wouldn't we?
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jesus was gay - says academic
jesus was gay and so were at least three of his 12 disciples, according to an australian academic.. .
dr rollan mccleary said jesus's astrological chart, clues in the scriptures and biblical translations, all played a part in his conclusions.. in a forthcoming book, he attempts to present st john's gospel in a new light to back up his claims, reports the herald sun.. dr rollan mccleary, a university of queensland phd graduate who now lives in melbourne, has just been awarded his doctorate for a thesis on gay spirituality.. an anglican and a qualified reader of astrological charts, dr mccleary said the planet uranus figured prominently in jesus's astrological chart, as it did with many gays..
| Jehovah's Witness |
| Member of a religious organization originating in the USA in 1872 under Charles Taze Russell (18521916). Jehovah's Witnesses attach great importance to Christ's second coming, which Russell predicted would occur in 1914, and which Witnesses still believe is imminent. All Witnesses are expected to take part in house-to-house preaching there are no clergy. Witnesses believe that after the second coming the ensuing Armageddon and Last Judgement, which entail the destruction of all except the faithful, are to give way to the Theocratic Kingdom. Earth will continue to exist as the home of humanity, apart from 144,000 chosen believers who will reign with Christ in heaven. Witnesses believe that they should not become involved in the affairs of this world, and their tenets, involving rejection of obligations such as military service, have often brought them into conflict with authority. Because of a biblical injunction against eating blood, they will not give or receive blood transfusions. Adults are baptized by total immersion |
Above is a quote about JWs from the Hutchinson Encyclopaedia. It contains a number of mistakes IMO. A few that I can see, 1) Russell did not originate the Jehovah's Witnesses in the sense that he started an association of Bible Students. After his death, there was dispute and a split and 2 groups were formed. Some continue to follow Russell today. The JWs do not. 2)The end of the world was predicted for 1914. Christ return was 1874. 3) Christ return was 1914 and is not 'imminent'. 4) They have their own 'clergy' that receive some pay. CO's DO's etc. 5) Some militiary service is acceptable/matter of conscience. 6)Minors are often baptised.
In 200 years time, and you found the above would you take it as the truth about Jehovah's Witnesses? Would you believe it in preference to other material? The problem with some of the accounts , like Tacitus, is that they are from people who did not regard Christianity as very important. Tacitus no doubted had a source such as a report on the Christians or other information but how carefully did he research it? How carefully did Hutchinsons research their JW article? The incidental references to Christ or Christianity are simply not enough to prove that the man as outlined in the gospels did what he was supposed to have done. The second century was awash with forgeries and interpolations regarding Christ. You can see a list of many unreliable accounts online. You can disregard all the second century apologists. Accounts of people arguing with made up characters would not convince anyone. Its like the JW book, JWs and the Divine Purpose! What you dont have is material from people at the time. Jesus was such a powerful force that his life could not have gone unnoticed by people in general for so long in terms of writings, culture. After his death you would expect there to be people that would have flocked to his birthplace, place of death, significant places etc. etc. etc. None of this happens. The silence is deafening.
ISP
jesus was gay - says academic
jesus was gay and so were at least three of his 12 disciples, according to an australian academic.. .
dr rollan mccleary said jesus's astrological chart, clues in the scriptures and biblical translations, all played a part in his conclusions.. in a forthcoming book, he attempts to present st john's gospel in a new light to back up his claims, reports the herald sun.. dr rollan mccleary, a university of queensland phd graduate who now lives in melbourne, has just been awarded his doctorate for a thesis on gay spirituality.. an anglican and a qualified reader of astrological charts, dr mccleary said the planet uranus figured prominently in jesus's astrological chart, as it did with many gays..
Kenneson, I will respond further to the points you raised, but for now note that the oldest copy of Tacitus is circa 11th Century. Thats the problem with this stuff. There should be an expanse of supporting material but there isn't.
ISP
125 years of the watchtower, and women are still considered garbage.. they cannot give talks, have a position in the congregation, cannot lead a study when a man is present, give a prayer etc etc etc etc.......... they can be of the annoited class, but a man who is a ms, still has more say !!!!!!!!!!.
to all the women on this board, did this ever bother you as a jw, and does it bother you know ???.
how can women sit at a meeting and in a round about way be treated like garbage and accept it ????
Hey this could get new lighted in time! I've seen sisters as attendants at DC's because of the lack of males. They do most of the ministry and in time I bet the get to do other admin aspects like the accounts. Maybe more!
ISP
after the meeting last night italked to some of the elders in the car park, and asked what more i neede to do to get reinstated.
they commended me on the things i've been doing (?
), and said the main point for reinstating would be how much contact i've been having with my fiance, who's still a wittness.
Prisca, I know what you are saying but marriages out of the truth happen all the time. It would be interesting to see what they would do. I dont see them DF'ing.
ISP
most of the gb members are in their 80s and 90s.
with the passing of milton henschel (82), one wonders if they'll all live to be nearly 100, like freddy franz.. so let's take a theoretical look into the future, 11 years from now.. the year is 2014. the last gb member dies.
the faithful and discreet slave class are no longer in existence.
The GB are being groomed to die........they resigned from the spotlight a couple of years ago. They now can die without affecting the workings of the WTS.
ISP
after the meeting last night italked to some of the elders in the car park, and asked what more i neede to do to get reinstated.
they commended me on the things i've been doing (?
), and said the main point for reinstating would be how much contact i've been having with my fiance, who's still a wittness.
Gadget, if you got married to your fiancee, why do you think she would get DF'd?
ISP
i have personally had experience with this.
a long time friend committed suicide because of her husband and the problems they were having.
he abused her and ended up leaving her, the elders wouldn't help out much stating that it was a marital problem.. she couldn't cope with him leaving, she was extremely dependant on him, she felt the only way out was suicide.
I think the suicide incidence among dubs would be a startling statistic. I am aware of 3. It would be good if we could start a database and keep a record. I am sure there would be some common elements to the experiences. I think the WTs gets away with a lot here. I also think a fair number of suicides take place without us knowing or anyone with a critical view of the WTS, with the result that they get covered up.
ISP
pondering upon an old dub publication from the year 1942 i am caused to speculate upon the powerless nature of the watchtower god.
perhaps their god is in the privvy or is occupied with greater concerns than the fact that his channel of communication(the fds) makes a laughing stock of his name in the eyes of anyone who eyes eyes to read and brain cells to think with.
consider this from the 1942 book the new world chapter heading final end at hand it talks about the kings of the north/ south:
Thing about prophecies is that you can make them and leave the time frame open! It works well! 'The end of the world is nigh' is a typical example. It will come true eventually when the sun blows up etc! In the mean time you can control people. If you set dates etc. you need to prepared to be a bit more elastic, which is no problem to the WTS!
ISP
jesus was gay - says academic
jesus was gay and so were at least three of his 12 disciples, according to an australian academic.. .
dr rollan mccleary said jesus's astrological chart, clues in the scriptures and biblical translations, all played a part in his conclusions.. in a forthcoming book, he attempts to present st john's gospel in a new light to back up his claims, reports the herald sun.. dr rollan mccleary, a university of queensland phd graduate who now lives in melbourne, has just been awarded his doctorate for a thesis on gay spirituality.. an anglican and a qualified reader of astrological charts, dr mccleary said the planet uranus figured prominently in jesus's astrological chart, as it did with many gays..
Kenneson a 'great multitude' of persecuted christians in Rome around 60 CE is most unlikely.It is more likely that Nero rounded up criminals guilty of all misdemeanours to divert attention from the fire situation.
The problem with all of this is that the created personality of Jesus is so immense. He did so much, said so much in terms of his teachings, parables, illustrations that people could reason that it is remarkable that no one cared to write about it at the time. If you believe in the 'inspired' scriptures, I am sure God would have wanted the 'gospel' accounts to have been recorded straight away and distributed. They would have been vital in establishing the early church in the years after Jesus supposed death circa 33CE. (If god only had the WTS in those days!)
It is remarkable that Paul says so little about Jesus' life, teachings, parables etc. Many of which could have been used to sort out problems that he had to deal with.When he discussed neutrality, there was the perfect opportunity to quote Jesus 'give Caesars things to Caesar...etc.' but he did not. He could have killed off counter arguments in a flash by quoting Jesus but he does not and sometimes his authority/position was attacked. Today, the christian belief system is consumed with a study of the gospels and Acts when these books are highly unreliable and date circa 2nd Century. The odd references here and there to matters of interest can be explained but the overall silence is deafening.
There should be a wealth of references by so many individuals, educated and otherwise bearing in mind Jesus preached to the everyday people compiled at the time.
What we do see is where there have been opportunities to embellish or interpolate it has been taken with the view of trying to confirm the historicity of Jesus. The inference is that the new religion was under attack and it sought establish itself retrospectively in the second century. The creation of such a history can be powerful nevertheless. The WTS has created its own history, some of it retrospectively. People are willing to die for it.
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