i'm convinced jw's are under sooo much brainwashing and fully indoctrinated that their brains are disabled.
they will never analyze or question any beliefs.
it is all about the emotions, their brains are literally paralyzed.
Tasting Freedom,
"I'm convinced JW's are under sooo MUCH brainwashing and fully indoctrinated that their brains are disabled. They will never analyze or question any beliefs. It is all about the emotions, their brains are literally paralyzed."
This is a gross exaggeration. Many JWs recognize what is going on. To believe the above is just plain silly.
the significance of raymond franz.
in the light of the passing of raymond franz this week, it is clear from the reaction that many were affected by the deeds of this man.
while he was called gentle by those who knew him (for the record, i never got to meet him personally) his reputation preceded him both in the ex jehovah's witness community, and still to this day at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses.. while his writings were indeed fair and reasonable, (i challenge anyone to read his books and find bitterness associated with him toward his former peers) i think it would be a mistake to remember ray franz as somewhat of a gentle, doting old man.
AllTimeJeff,
"I just wanted to comment on believingxjw and others who pointed out that Ray Franz was forced to resign, implying that he did not do so over principle."
Ray continued to be a JW and attended meetings. He apparently still believed enough to do so. Or are you saying he attended meetings as a hypocrite?
Ray was being honest when he wrote COC, I believe we should be as honest as he was.
the significance of raymond franz.
in the light of the passing of raymond franz this week, it is clear from the reaction that many were affected by the deeds of this man.
while he was called gentle by those who knew him (for the record, i never got to meet him personally) his reputation preceded him both in the ex jehovah's witness community, and still to this day at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses.. while his writings were indeed fair and reasonable, (i challenge anyone to read his books and find bitterness associated with him toward his former peers) i think it would be a mistake to remember ray franz as somewhat of a gentle, doting old man.
AllTimeJeff,
" In my opinion, you were/are looking to manufacture a controversy where none exists.
Other then that, you hit it right on the head."
I was just trying to keep the conversation on what Ray actually said and not what we think he said. Your words above are contradictory by the way. I "hit it right on the head" because it's what Ray said. I was not trying to manufacture anything. That's the problem here sometimes, if someone disagrees with what is said they are put down and sad to say sometimes it's not really all that different from what happens in the Watchtower. I know, I experienced for myself when I disassociated.
the significance of raymond franz.
in the light of the passing of raymond franz this week, it is clear from the reaction that many were affected by the deeds of this man.
while he was called gentle by those who knew him (for the record, i never got to meet him personally) his reputation preceded him both in the ex jehovah's witness community, and still to this day at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses.. while his writings were indeed fair and reasonable, (i challenge anyone to read his books and find bitterness associated with him toward his former peers) i think it would be a mistake to remember ray franz as somewhat of a gentle, doting old man.
AllTimeJeff,
I admire Ray just as must as anyone here but I believe he would have wanted us to speak the truth. You said, "Why would a man in his 50's resign his leadership position (though not leave the religion)? It was over principle. It was over what was right."
In COC Ray wrote, " That afternoon Chairman Schroeder brought the Governing Body's decision to me. Evidently those seeking disfellowshiping had not attained a two-thirds majority, for he simply informed me that I was being asked to resign from the Body and also as a member of the headquarters staff...."
Next paragraph, "I wrote out my resignation..." COC, page 332
Ray resigned because he was asked to resign.
Ray continued to attend meetings after he left Bethel. The elders in his congregation even considered appointing him elder.
I believe we should be just as honest about things as we ask the JWs to be.
just setting the record straight.
there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.
he is still alive.
Raymond Franz is resting in his hospital bed, it's his wife who suffers now. If he is on a respirator then at some point hard decisions may have to be made and his wife must make them.
Cynthia, read the Bible to him. It will comfort you. And consider the advice your good friends with you today at the hospital are giving you.
Hold on to God he will sustain you today and everyday.
Remember death is not the end but rather a beginning.
You are loved, dear sister.
(for those not familiar with the onion, this is a satire website.).
http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-forgives-molested-children,101/.
pope forgives molested children .
I know.
(for those not familiar with the onion, this is a satire website.).
http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-forgives-molested-children,101/.
pope forgives molested children .
Let the Pope himself have his day in bed with those children who in their filth seduced him! May he teach them a thing or two.
join former jehovah's witness and watchtower historian richard rawe on his telephone conference call.
his special guest tonight will be dr. jerry bergman, author of the book "jehovah's witnesses and the problem of mental illness".
and former bethelite, joe anderson, barbara anderson's husband.
Jerry Bergman is riding a wave pure and simple. He has no depth.
everyone knows our dear mouthy.
she's modified her living arrangements lately... has moved to an "assisted living" facility... on monday, and is still going thru a period of adjustment... .
if there are any of you who live near mouthy.
Grace,
You're in my prayers.
the differences and similarities.
is anyone interested in this subject?
socrates was not an atheist (but i still think he laid the groundwork for it).
It was Pilate who asked what is truth.
