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  Bethel Layoffs

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  could those who know about these lay offs give some clear evidence of what has happened, when, to who, any experiences of people effected and to what extent?.

  i want to talk to a really good friend about the situation.

  he is a young guy who feels he should be doing more for the organisation, and is thinking about giving up a very good career to make a more of his career in the "truth".

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  freddo

  The prob here in the UK is that Mill Hill is expanding it's printing on the back of the Spanish/Italian layoffs. London is picking up a lot of their work. I know a dozen bethelites who are fairly young and "low-level" and there is no "redundancy" fear in the UK - far from it.

  They even joke how the "accommodation" watchtower - you know the one about living arrangements where they imply that people will think everyone is ready to jump each other's bones when someone's back is turned - should start being applied in London Bethel first because so many singles and marrieds are sharing flats, kitchens and bathrooms!
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  What will the elders think?

  by TMS in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a week ago my wife and i ran into a jw nephew and his wife at the supermarket.

  despite knowing that my wife and i are no longer jw's, he was very gracious, giving his aunt and i a warm hug and introducing his wife to us.

  he casually mentioned meeting with the elders and their decision to disfellowship.

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  freddo

  I'm pretty sure that tattoo = no MS or eldership if you have it done after baptism.
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  help with parenting ?

  by creativhoney in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those who are now out and we can't use the 'what would jehovah think' method any more, has anyone struggled with discipline since leaving?.

  my parents were so strict and laughter and silliness was frowned upon.

  - especially by a militant stepfather.

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  freddo

  Love it Aunt Bee - I can't match eight but I agree I know less now I'm on my fourth teenager than when I was on my first!

  Yup, it all comes to a head when I can't see the bedroom floor for junk and the reins are pulled in for a weekend and a month later and they try it on again - but overall they're lovely kids even though the eldest is 24 and married now. Wait 'til the grandchildren come along - I'll be full of wisecracking "told you so's"
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  Pioneer Removal

  by IMHO in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  who's been removed from pioneering, and what was the reason given, and was it true?.

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  freddo

  Which CO was that cantleave? Bill Harris? Sounds like him to make a mountain out of a molehill ...
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  Who could be banned for life from serving as an Elder?

  by JWoods in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no, i didn't mean sisters.

  seriously - two or three things made me think about it:.

  first, recent threads made it clear that several here have seen people get dfd, re-instated, and eventually become elders.

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  freddo

  Raymond Franz, sadly.
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  what was the reaction to princess Di's death in your cong?

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know it was over ten years but it occured today that it was the first time i was shocked by the reaction of the the dubs.

  the general opinion seemed to be that yes it was "sad" ... but actauly it was very good news that she had been killed now, because that meant that she would get a resserection!

  and of course seeing that she had led such an immoral life, she would never have survived armargeddon had she lived!.

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  freddo

  > Hamsterbait

  Wow! I never heard of that! WHich assembly venue was that?

  In the group study that I was in it (I was an elder but not the group overseer) was split down the middle about going in field ministry on the Saturday of the funeral - half - including me said they weren't going out as it didn't "feel right" - the other half led by the spineless group overseer's dominant wife did.
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  Assembly Call: PLEASE Come Back & Help Us Out---Ministerial Servants & Elders!

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i was told they were practically begging those elders and servants who are no longer "being used" to help carry the load once again.

  these people are unbelievable!.

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  freddo

  >minimus:

  "grotty" is a British unoffensive slang word meaning unpleasant, miserable, squalid or offensive.

  e.g "that elder is a grotty little man" "the secretary's job is pretty grotty at times" "the mothers' room is a bit grotty and tatty"
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  What will be the theme of the 2010 District Assembly?

  by asilentone in

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  just wondering..

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  freddo

  "... There is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving!" - Acts 20:35"

  Keynote Address:

  Be happy in this time of the end - how?

  By giving us all your lolly of course!
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  News from Mother ship

  by jefferywhat in

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  2. beliefs

  1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

  2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

  was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

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  Bump! Any more news?
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  Is it possible for an Elder to get back his "priviledges" after being demoted?

  by african GB Member in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for example, if he was demoted due to one of his children(who are still under him) being df'd or is no longer "exemplary".. agbm.

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  freddo

  Yes he can get his "privileges" back.

  It seems a bit tighter nowadays in the UK - as said above - if you resign (and if you subsequently would not have been removed anyway - BoE's are supposed to look at resignations of those who jump before they're pushed and ask themselves whether they would have removed the resigner had he stayed!) for over a year you will usually have to be an MS first. But you can often be an elder within 6 months to a year of that if your body like you.

  If you are removed you have to be an MS first. If you are reproved and removed then you have to wait at least 3 years to be an MS first and usually (if there was no notoriety) it will be about 5 - 7 before you could be an elder from reproof date. If you are DF'd then it's a minimum of 5 years to be an MS from reinstatement and probably approaching a total of 7 - 9 to be an elder again.

  In around about 2000(?) a procedure was brought in where "your kids could bring you down" - say you've got 4 kids living at home and one goes bad in jw terms - then unless the body really hate you you'll survive. (But they'll check if your family study was regular and if you ignored previous counsel to get junior in line then you might well be on your way.) If two kids "go bad" then you might lose your privs. If three, then it don't look good, buddy! And if all 4 go out then you're definitely gonna be toast!

  I did hear rumour of a guy in Cornwall, England who couldn't cope with "the judicial stuff" but was prepared to be an MS and his body were enlightened enough to ask the branch in the UK who then allowed it in the late 1990's early 2000's but I cannot confirm that as I got it from a prominent know it all elder who seemed to be about 80% right in what he blabbed to me.