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  HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!

  by WTS Archive in

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  tl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.

  please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).

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  bohm

  Man, sometimes JWN is the grumpy grandpa of JW activism.

  Assuming the employees were hired legally this woman would absolutely have a very good case in many European countries including mine. You just can't decide not to show up on work, it is considered an illegal strike. As far as the details of the story, perhaps something got lost in translation (like: she was actually shunned by 25 people who was current or former employees at her hotel and all current workers failed to show up).

  I hope the OP returns with a newspaper clipping that verifies details of this story to "grandpas" satisfaction :-).
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  I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

  actually, i am helping with two classes.

  i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

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  bohm

  Vidqun:

  You as the living organism would be receiving the benefit of protein assembly. In the end you would be the receiver

  You are equivocating very strongly on the meaning of "receiving" in that sentence.

  The basic problem here is that we can easily agree that DNA carriers information by any reasonable definition of the term, however it does so without any conscious entity being involved at any stage of the process --- it is all just chemistry. Why a conscious being has to be inserted into that process is not clear.
  

  Let's consider the first time namely where Gitt claims:

  b) Every choice of code must be well thought out beforehand in the conceptual stage.

  the question is of course why. There is no evidence at all the DNA code or the replicating machinery has not changed over time (and, considering the various differences that exists, change is very likely it did on external evidence alone). We therefore have to say:

  Every code must be thought of beforehand to consist of a convention X but can subsequently change to another Y

  But now the "beforehand" claim is very difficult to support. After all, if code can change, how can we define what constitute a "code" (or not) meaningfully? Does spontaneous replicating RNA with slightly different replicating success depending on the sequence qualify as a "code"?

  Gitt, insofar as I know, cannot make it clear what distinguishes a code from a non-code in a clear sense. Rather, he focuses on either obviously artificial codes (like text in a newspaper) or highly evolved codes (like DNA), but that can't be the issue because nobody thinks DNA just arose spontaneously.

  
  
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  Petr Muzny: A Law Professor Explains His Faith

  by konceptual99 in

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  2. beliefs

  this is absolutely feckin' priceless.. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/videos/viewpoints-origin-of-life/petr-muzny-law-professor/.

  in yet another appeal to authority, jw.org has trotted out a professional to vouch for creation.

  this guy is a law professor.

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  bohm

  wow, a self-proclaimed expert in logic who tell us we shouldn't just take things at face value because people tell us it is obvious or "evident", then proceeds to make logical errors like concluding that because nature is beautiful it must point to a beautiful God (because all artists are such nice people?) or that God-awful bench illustration (why not use the trees or the lake?). This can't be doing much good.
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  HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!

  by WTS Archive in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  tl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.

  please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).

  ps.

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  bohm

  Man I so wish this story to be true, the "letter to the judge" is simply priceless!

  Please keep us posted if any of this makes it into 3rd party sources.
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  ExoMars Arrival - Schiaparelli

  by TheWonderofYou in

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  16 october: separation of schiaparelli from tgo at 14:42 gmt / 16:42 cest 17 october: tgo orbit-raising manoeuvre at 02:42 gmt / 04:42 cest19 october: tgo mars orbit insertion and schiaparelli entry, descent and landing on mars (atmospheric entry expected 14:42 gmt / 16:42 cest, landing 14:48 gmt / 16:48 cest).

  https://livestream.com/esa.

  https://www.facebook.com/europeanspaceagency/.

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  bohm

  That's what you get for naming your spaceship Scrappelli.
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  Genital Warts Because our Ancestors were Banging Neanderthals

  by cofty in

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  researchers have found evidence that modern genital warts – otherwise known as the human papillomavirus (hpv) – were sexually transmitted to homo sapiens after our ancestors slept with neanderthals and denisovans roughly around 100,000 years ago.....

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  bohm

  In related news, scientists discover the first use of the phrase: I told you that would happend
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  Biblical Scholar Claims The Story Of Jesus Christ Was A HOAX Designed To Control The People

  by anointed1 in

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  here is something i found interesting:.

  biblical scholar claims the story of jesus christ was a hoax designed to control the people.

  http://simplecapacity.com/2016/10/biblical-scholar-claims-story-jesus-christ-hoax-designed-control-people/.

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  bohm

  There is a lot of one-man theories regarding early Christianity/mythicism that has made it into atheist circles and are quite widely believed to be true despite having very little basis in fact.

  What I find most interesting is that the people who promote these view seem to hold the same basic view: The mainstream view on early Christianity, firmly believed to be true by virtually all experts, is false. Furthermore the mainstream view is influenced by Christians who are biased and untrustworthy and can therefore be dismissed as just confirming a pre-conceived idea that Jesus must have existed. Jewish, agnostic or atheist scholars who also believe Jesus existed are somehow forced to tow the line because their careers are build around the idea Jesus existed and they will loose their jobs and funding if they find anything different.

  The people whose opinion should be trusted are therefore most often atheists and non-experts who, free from the confines of scholarship, are the only people who can "see" (and accurately interpret) the few details of the evidence that has apparently evaded thousands of scholars and confirm that Jesus did not exist. Much time is spend on explaining that it is just a happy coincidence that this happens to support their atheism and they are completely unbiased.

  Sometimes experts in other fields will agree with their interpretations, or experts will say something which can be interpreted to support mythicism. In that case these experts can certainly be trusted despite otherwise being in strong disagreement with mythicism.

  Finally the mainstream view Jesus existed is just verging on collapsing with more and more experts being secretly convinced of the mythicism position but are to afraid to speak out.

  Interestingly this is exactly the kind of thing creationists say about evolution but that is TOTALLY not the same

  I think Richard Carrier and Raphael Lataster are the leading exponents of these views.. Carrier for instance wrote a huge book where he computed the chance that Jesus existed to be something like 0.08% lol.
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  LEAKED Talk - Depression Is A Part Of This Life

  by pale.emperor in

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  another leak from my collection of talks that i was ordered not to share.

  an elder gave me a ton of talks from bethel and special assembleys to put on his ipod.

  of course i copied them to my computer and will share them for all of us.. depression is a part of this life by brother nathan fuel.. this talk also touches on the subject of family members being disfellowshipped, feel depressed?

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  bohm

  He might be on to something, two minutes in and I already lost my will to live
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  Front cover of the 2017 Watchtower - unbelievable!

  by freddo in

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  study edition.

  january 2017.

  (can someone put up a link please?).

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  bohm

  sparky1:

  Well, on that account they will "place" about one watchtower a day ;-).
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  Governing Body Member Gerrit Lösch - What The Near Future Holds

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  another talk from my channel.. gerrit lösch - what the near future holds.

  apparently, jehovah god has "revealed" the future to us... unfortunately in 2008 when this talk was given he didnt reveal to them the mass downsizing of bethel staff and buildings, the child molestation payouts and many many changes to doctrine.. https://youtu.be/d8pvnrv5s94.

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  bohm

  What happened to him? At one point he seemed like a very prominent gb member, but now he seems very much in the background