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  Science is right in its details, but wrong in its direction

  by exWTslave in

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  science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!

  it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.

  it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.

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  bohm

  Kalos:

  When I said " Scientific community works almost like JWs, " I had in mind the plight of Albert Einstein. When he left the convention, and started talking like a messiah, he was treated like an apostate (as JWs treat apostates), and it's history Cofty too must be familiar.

  What is the evidence of this? Consider special relativity, it was proposed in 1905 (in a time where scientific communication was much slower today). Nearly the entire scientific establishment within about 5 years. This is pretty remarkable considering how little experimental evidence there was in it's support and legitimate critisism could be possible on that ground.

  Are you talking about general relativity or something else?
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  It is official they're selling off Kingdom Halls in Britain

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i posted here a week ago some disturbing news for congregations being consolidated in britain.

  my goodness that was nothing !

  a letter was read today from bethel addressed to all congregations in britain that can only be described as the biggest news for years.the main points:.

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  bohm

  Splash:

  Yes, the BOE 2014 March 29th specifically said: "The need for Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls is greater than ever before. At this time, over 13,000 Kingdom Hall projects and 35 Assembly Hall projects are needed worldwide. Much of this need is in parts of the world where the cost of property and building materials is high."

  This is the beauty of this move. Selling property serves three goals:

  (i) most obviously, they get access to liquid assets, but I think this is the least important bit

  More importantly it serves the main goal: create a shortage of kingdom halls. The benefits are twofold:

  (ii) it create an obvious sense the WT is expanding: The number of kingdom halls are too few, too crowded and many halls must be build to serve a growing need (see the letter).

  (iii) secondly, to build new ones there is an obvious need for money. Everyone can understand this need and see imediate benefits (ones own kingdom hall near the home) and thus the WT can push for donations.

  There is NO reason to think this means the WT is financially pressed. This is the obvious strategy to follow if you are in a situation of little or zero growth.
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  It is official they're selling off Kingdom Halls in Britain

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i posted here a week ago some disturbing news for congregations being consolidated in britain.

  my goodness that was nothing !

  a letter was read today from bethel addressed to all congregations in britain that can only be described as the biggest news for years.the main points:.

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  bohm

  ...and in a few years: jehovah has blessed his organization with growth such that most kingdom halls are now overcrowded. Please donate what you can such that we can buy more land for jehovah
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  Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"

  by breakfast of champions in

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  2. beliefs

  this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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  bla bla satan bla bla evil bla bla worldly bla bla higher education bla bla test your faith amen.
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  Hypocritical video on jw.org "what's a real friend."

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  have you watched the 4 min animated white board drawing video on jw.org called "what's a real friend?".

  it is one of the most hypocritical pieces they have produced!.

  it goes into detail explaining that real friends "don't judge you, dont talk about you behind your back, don't hold grudges, don't expect you to conform, and encourage individuality!".

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  What's a real friend?

  Learn from Jehovah. A real friend is someone who:

  • Expect you to obey him
  • Expect you to worship him
  • Will order you to commit various crimes up to an including genocide
  • Will instruct you when to execute family members
  • Love for you to make him barbeque, but never shares (except in some cases his special friends, the priests)
  • Will hurt others to show how much he cares for you and deserve your respect
  • Will knock up your wife if you cannot
  • Will give you women to rape if you behave as he expect
  • Are ready to punish you every time you do not do exactly as he expect however:
  • if you meet certain conditions he will "forgive" you
  • You can choose not to be jehovahs friend, only his enemy

  Jehovah. A true friend. Who happens to behave like a fucked up african warlord.
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  Evidence Regarding the Evolution of Cetaceans - Whales etc

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this excellent little video sumamrises some of the evidence for the evolutionary history of cetaceans.. if focuses on comparative anatomy, embryology, fossils and dna.. .... .

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  bohm

  Geh Jhine, it is allmost as if you took the talkorigins page for creationist quotemining and desided to remove the context for the quotes:

  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part1-4.html

  Notice that the quotes you have cited out of context are about 30 years old and (supposedly) discuss a fossil record full of gaps. This thread discuss the fossil record of cetaceans which has been dramatically expanded in the past decades and contain many transitional forms. Now if you think about those two things for a moment you will realise the fossil record today is more full and contain more transitional forms than it did 30 years ago, and the same point could be made regarding nearly any other larger group. Now how does that fit in with the creationist hypothesis?
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  Awake January 2015: How did life begin? - More misquotes

  by Designer Stubble in

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  2. bible

  [quote]some might assume that a scientifically-minded person would pick evolution and that a religious person would pick creation.

  but not always.. rama singh, professor of biology at canadas mcmaster university, says: the opposition to evolution goes beyond religious fundamentalism and includes a great many people from educated sections of the population.[/quote].

  end-of-quote in awake.

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  Marked. Interesting.

  It is good to see they wheel out good old Behe.
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  PART DEUX: AN ALTERNATIVE CONVERSATION WITH A NEIGHBOR - Watchtower, November 2014

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. social
  2. humour

  the second contrived and unrealistic conversation that one of jehovahs witnesses imagined having with a neighbor in the november 2014 watchtower will not be reproduced here.

  instead let us imagine the other witness named andre (sorry, i meant) cameron has returned to the home of the other man also named jon.. nebuchadnezzars dream a tortuous recapcameron: hi there, neighbor!.

  jon: whoa!

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  Brilliant!
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  Top Scientist descent from Creationism

  by Coded Logic in

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  http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309064066&page=25.

  http://www.nas.edu/evolution/intelligentdesign.html.

  http://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-board-resolution-intelligent-design-theory.

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  Lol, perfect response to perrys thread!
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  "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali - The Story of a Muslim Apostate

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  i have just finished reading one of the most powerful, thought-provoking books i have ever read.. if somebody really wanted to know the reality of life inside the watchtower they must talk to a rational ex-jw.

  only people like us can see through the offical statememets and stereotypes and understand the thinking, pressures, hopes and fears of life in the cult.. ayaan hirsi ali shares her personal experience of growing up in a muslim community.

  ayaan was born in somalia with it's culture of clan loyalty and honour.

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  read it a few months ago, very good and powerfull. Her second book nomad is good too but suffers from being less well structured and covering many of the same subjects