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  SOME ENCOURAGEMENT FOR THE NEWBIES AND LURKERS

  by palmtree67 in

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  a quote from "crisis of conscience".

  don't be afraid to read it.. .

  whatever the initial distress - a distress that sometimes follows the demenaing experience of being interogated by men who, in effect strip one of dignity, make the weight of their authority felt, and presume to judge adversely one's standing with god - however torn one may feel inside, afterward there is a distinct feeling of relief, of peace.

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  cattails

  Excellent thread and worthy of being in the list of top articles for newbies!
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  Funny things in augusts watchtower

  by bohm in

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  i have been reading augusts watchtower between simulations today, and i stumbled upon some funny stuff in augusts watchtower.

  first off - the author of the second article makes a bold move by referring to ancient watchtowers.

  from the first page:.

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  cattails

  Sounds to me like they're throwing out some bait.

  So that if you get all hot about their twisting what

  was published and leaving part of the truth out then

  they have smoked out the "conscious class" folks,

  those who know better and are disgusted with the

  perpetual half-truths and their revision of history.

  Maybe I'm getting more paranoid, but it just seems

  like the do this type of thing on purpose just to have

  some folks get disgusted and leave the organization.
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  do Jehovah witness teaches about grace and what it is?

  by evangelist 1 in

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  2. beliefs

  i would like to know does jhw teaches what grace is , and how to recieve grace without any works , merits and qualifications?.

  what is saved grace to jhw?.

  if we are saved in the name of jesus why do they have to do things like go witnessing , and etc to get god to accept them when grace has already made us righteous un jesus and not jehovah?.

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  cattails

  I enjoyed your video very much E.1

  You're very easy to listen to and I liked

  the German translation of the English, too.

  Vielen Dank für Ihr Christian Programm.
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  Sustainability in the Borganization -- May's Contribution Surveys & new arrangement for getting magazines

  by cattails in

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  2. friends

  mad sweeney said:.

  honestly wonder if they really care that people leave.. which got me to thinking.

  it's true it seems that the brass at bethel.

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  cattails

  I enjoyed reading this. Very interesting.

  Thanks, I just had to rant a bit. The sustainability idea

  fits with the recent and ongoing changes at WTSociety HQs.

  It's just amazing how much they care about the Corporation

  and how little regard they have for the people that have

  given their lives to make it what it is today. All those

  counted hours and millions upon millions of contributions.
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  Sustainability in the Borganization -- May's Contribution Surveys & new arrangement for getting magazines

  by cattails in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  mad sweeney said:.

  honestly wonder if they really care that people leave.. which got me to thinking.

  it's true it seems that the brass at bethel.

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  cattails

  Mad Sweeney said:

  honestly wonder if they really care that people leave.

  Which got me to thinking. It's true it seems that the Brass at Bethel

  isn't very concerned with the thousands that leave as long as they

  have a percentage or two of total increase and the money situation

  is in the black.

  The whole idea of Watch Tower Sustainability came to mind. They @

  Head Quarters look at numbers like most corporate companies. It's all

  about the numbers. The WTSociety is rich beyond idea since they keep

  a lot of different corporation names and addresses and their holdings

  are huge. The assets of such a company must be really enormous for

  them to feel confident about a move to hicks ville in Warwick NY. Why

  the move to the country? Because they're scared of the situation in

  NYC. They learned from 9/11 and know that sooner or later the toxicity

  of the city is going to hurt them bigtime. The buildings they're accustomed

  to in the city are worth a lot of money, but money that's frozen in brick and

  concrete, money that doesn't do them much good. Now that they have

  excellent means to build new and the volunteer labor for it, the move to

  the country makes a lot of sense, it frees up money, more money than the

  new projects are going to cost them. Sustainability demands it.

  The contributions will still be coming in, lots of contributions from over seven

  million willing enablers. The new pay back method of loan mortification is a hoot.

  Every May the congregation takes a survey of pledged contributions. Based on

  this figure they adjust the payments for the year to the Society for money

  borrowed for Kingdom Hall renovations. A lot of these renovations cost tens

  of thousands of dollars on prettifying the KH which is probably owned by the

  Society. Also the money they lent to the congregations comes from contributions

  to the Worldwide KH building fund. They collect your contribution, get you to

  borrow to make repairs and improvements to their buildings, then get you to

  pledge a certain amount to pay each month of that specific year. How can

  they lose on such a deal.

  Every change the Borganization has been implementing lately is based on

  cost cutting. The new arrangement on magazine distribution at the KH is

  based on cost cutting and maximizing resources. As long as the growth is

  a percentage or two overall, the Society doesn't mind if there's thousands

  of discontented people leaving every year, as long as the influx of fresh

  meat to sacrifice for the Borganization keeps coming in.

  Sustainability! They are making long range plans looking to stick around

  for a very long time while weekly reminding the R&F JWs to keep their

  lives simple, no big expenditures, no owning homes, no having and

  raising kids, no college eduction, instead Pioneer and support the

  Worldwide Work through contributions and literature placements.

  Is there anything new in this whole scam? Only that some Bethelites

  must have gone to business school and succeeded in getting the GB

  to look at the broad picture of Watch Tower Corporation Sustainability.

  That's what the Borganization really cares about, sustainability.
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  The CONSCIOUS CLASS what does it mean to you, and do you consider yourself one of them?

  by cattails in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there's a few posts where the term "conscious class" has been in just recently.. i'm wondering if it means the same to most jws and exjws who post here.. what does the "conscious class" mean to you?.

  ok, no funny business about 'being conscious' as in awake and fully cafeinated.. if you could answer the two questions it may help some here to understand what.

  this term is a lot better.

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  cattails

  Dissed, you bring out a good point.

  the "unconscious class" ... do you think that we all go through such a step.

  Being disenchanted, bored to death at meetings, hoping to be able to get

  out of the KH as soon as the prayer is said? I did, I admit it, even if I was

  going through the motions my heart wasn't in it. I hated the fact that there

  were the pretty families who got all the attention, parts on meetings, and

  no matter how hard you tried there was always something wrong with me.

  Something to criticize, something to counsel on, talks on the school, dress

  appropriately, watch what you say to whom. etc. etc.

  Until I woke up. What really helped was reading a few chapters of Crisis of

  Conscience online when these were accessible through Wikipedia as a link

  from Ray Franz's article there. Then I had to read the whole thing. It changed

  my perspective in a big way.
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  The CONSCIOUS CLASS what does it mean to you, and do you consider yourself one of them?

  by cattails in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there's a few posts where the term "conscious class" has been in just recently.. i'm wondering if it means the same to most jws and exjws who post here.. what does the "conscious class" mean to you?.

  ok, no funny business about 'being conscious' as in awake and fully cafeinated.. if you could answer the two questions it may help some here to understand what.

  this term is a lot better.

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  cattails

  Thanks for your responses. I appreciate that the issue of family relations came up.

  The reason I'm still attending meetings is to keep up the front that everything's ok.

  My father knows there's some questions and problems with doctrine in my mind.

  What can you do when someone in your family is so loyal and devoted that their

  only thought is unquestioning service to the WT?

  I'm still a Christian. I haven't given up on my belief in God. This is different from

  other people who may post here, but what we have in common is the realization

  that the WT misrepresents the truth and gives people false hopes "within their

  lifetime". But so many WT promises have gone by the wayside and instead of

  admitting they led people on and gave them a false hope they turn around and

  blame the very people they egged on by saying they "ran ahead" or they were

  given to speculation.

  I find it very disgusting that this "religious" corporation has so much control of

  people's lives. It devastates me and I feel unable to do much about it. But I am

  conscious of at least this much: I am mentally free of this Cult. And I hope one

  day I will be physically and emotionally free too.
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  What does your sleep position reveal about your personality?

  by Think About It in

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  mine is the yearner position.. .

  fetus position - a whopping 41% of participants sleep in this curled-up manner.

  women are twice as likely to rest like this and it is listed as the most common position.

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  cattails

  I find myself doing a sort of dance around. It's really weird.

  I'm in one position then get tired of that and try another.

  This post is starting to sound weird to me too. So okay,

  mostly I'm the yearner, but freefaller and starfish are what

  I wake up like. So I go to bed one way and wake up another.

  I don't know what most of the night might be like except

  sometimes I have to go pee. And when I do I'm so like a

  zombie I don't know what position I wake up to.
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  How much has YOUR APPEARANCE changed over the years?

  by Terry in

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  place your before and after photo.

  must be at least 15 years difference betwen the two.. .

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  cattails

  Oh, wow, Terry, what a hottie! Myself, I used to be a scrawny little runt of a kid.

  Not much change except I wear a lot more make up now, hee hee hee!
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  The CONSCIOUS CLASS what does it mean to you, and do you consider yourself one of them?

  by cattails in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there's a few posts where the term "conscious class" has been in just recently.. i'm wondering if it means the same to most jws and exjws who post here.. what does the "conscious class" mean to you?.

  ok, no funny business about 'being conscious' as in awake and fully cafeinated.. if you could answer the two questions it may help some here to understand what.

  this term is a lot better.

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  cattails

  There's a few posts where the term "conscious class" has been in just recently.

  I'm wondering if it means the same to most JWs and exJWs who post here.

  What does the "conscious class" mean to you?

  Do you consider yourself one of them?

  Ok, no funny business about 'being conscious' as in awake and fully cafeinated.

  If you could answer the two questions it may help some here to understand what

  this term is a lot better. I consider myself one of them. It is strange that some in

  my home congregation may also be of the 'conscious class'... There was an

  estimate someplace that said up to a third of all active JWs are of the 'conscious

  class'. That would be hard to believe. But it would be great if that were so.

  What do you think? And thanks for your answers.