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  "Why don't you just call yourself an atheist?"

  by slimboyfat in

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  the best answer to this question ever.

  i don't tire listening to it.

  "i am not, i am not simply the one who says 'i'" .

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  "Why don't you just call yourself an atheist?"

  Ok, I'm cool with that.
  
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  Question for Cofty about God and Bible defences

  by slimboyfat in

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  i thought about sending you a pm but it might make an interesting open discussion.

  i've seen you express the lack of good pro-god ex-witnesses to engage with.

  i don't know about ex-witnesses, but there are a few witnesses who've written on these issues.

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  ttdtt said:Defending the flood is like defending leprechauns.

  There is no proof and no evidence - and the reasons it could not be are to obvious and numerous to list.

  This made me chuckle. And to add to this, I would state there is actually quite a bit of evidence that counters the flood myth. A lot of discussion on this board in the past has occurred on the flood topic. It may have been a localized event; it was definitely NOT a global one.
  
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  Changes and why

  by Formerbrother in

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  so far these are all the recent changes i know of, please add more if i have missed anything.. 1. all construction projects have either been stopped or reduced.. 2. all bethels are downsizing by at least 20% within one year of the announcement, and almost certainly more in years to come.. 3. remaining belelites will have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.. no more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!.

  and you still only get 80 per month, but no rent or bills, and food will be provided in the family fridge but you have to prepare it yourself.. as to why, it has been said several times officially its not because of a lack of funds, but how could that possibly be the truth?.

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  "There is more evidence confirming the existence of the Kingdom than the evidence that would convince us that there is gravity, electricity, wind." - Stephen Lett

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6405yjZfo
  
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  Scriptures that will never be the YEAR TEXT

  by ttdtt in

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  so what scriptures do you think will never make the cut?i will start off with one to warm you all up.. 1 corinthians 4:6 - do not go beyond the things that are written,.

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  Exodus 15:3: "Jehovah is a man of war; Jehovah is his name." - ASV
  
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  Scriptures that will never be the YEAR TEXT

  by ttdtt in

  1. social
  2. humour

  so what scriptures do you think will never make the cut?i will start off with one to warm you all up.. 1 corinthians 4:6 - do not go beyond the things that are written,.

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  Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." - KJV
  
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  Changes and why

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so far these are all the recent changes i know of, please add more if i have missed anything.. 1. all construction projects have either been stopped or reduced.. 2. all bethels are downsizing by at least 20% within one year of the announcement, and almost certainly more in years to come.. 3. remaining belelites will have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.. no more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!.

  and you still only get 80 per month, but no rent or bills, and food will be provided in the family fridge but you have to prepare it yourself.. as to why, it has been said several times officially its not because of a lack of funds, but how could that possibly be the truth?.

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  4) Don't wear tight pants or coloured socks as this is a homosexual thing and homosexuals are trying to convert you (I think that's the reason).
  
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

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  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Welcome formerbrother...

  You asked: Is Jehovah real? Answer: No

  The the Bible is word? No

  If not whats the alternative? Logic, reason, and love. Develop Critical Thinking Skills and adopt a foundational principle of being Intellectually Honest.

  I cant see how any thinking person can believe evolution. Please read a Science book on the topic. A couple that have been recommended by others on this site are: "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins or "Why Evolution is True" by Jerry A Coin. When I have time I would like to read these. I have personally read "Your Inner Fish" by Neil Shubin and it was pretty good. If you do not know who Neil is, he was part of the team who discovered Tiktaalik.
  

  Is it possible that they are nearest to the truth than any other religions? No. I will cite 2 reasons: 1) Their belief system is based on a factually inaccurate, contradictory, and forged book. 2) They have gone beyond what is written in this flawed foundational document, aka The Bible, and have made up their own ideas/definitions of what is written in the scriptures to the detriment and harm of many people, including my cousin who died refusing a blood transfusion. The social system known as Patriarchy has long outlived any usefulness it ever had, IF it had any to begin with.
  

  For my part Im still going to meetings, some say Im sitting on the fence so Im actually out, fair enough, at least Im thinking for myself.

  I commend you on your willingness to ask questions and think for yourself. Unfortunately, these are not traits JWs are encouraged to possess. I wish you luck in your journey.
  
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  Merry Pantsmas Everyone!

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  okay, i posted this in a thread that got locked and buried.

  since then i've been really busy and have overdosed on christmas music in the past week.

  so, i'm resurrecting this "holy day" holiday that most people will unknowingly be celebrating tomorrow.

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  Well, it's that time of year once again. And since Armageddon has yet again failed to annihilate all of the Pagan traditions along with tight pants, I thought I'd resurrect this thread to bring you ... Christmas Lights Leggings!

  
  
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  Scriptures that will never be the YEAR TEXT

  by ttdtt in

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  so what scriptures do you think will never make the cut?i will start off with one to warm you all up.. 1 corinthians 4:6 - do not go beyond the things that are written,.

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  Dang... ttdtt beat me to it with the Ezekiel scripture.
  
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  Watchtower's response to Royal Commission shows they have learned nothing and will do nothing

  by wannaexit in

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  2. friends

  i've quickly read through watchtower's submission to the royal commission.

  seems like they aren't planning to change policy anytime soon.

  they are critical of how the royal commission handled the situation.. the tone is of the submission is shear arrogance.

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  In my email to Angus Stewart, I stated to him that unless laws were enacted, the Witnesses would change nothing. We all know what they are like don't we.