Posts by Heaven

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Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

by LAWHFol in

if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

Heaven

One of Religion's main fatal flaws is claiming their error riddled holy book is the inerrant, true word of God.

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Education makes you leave God

by FusionTheism in

quote from the watchtower, simplified edition, september 2015, "how can we show that we love jehovah?".

higher education often makes them lose their love for god..

Heaven

Religion maneuvers it's members through the Bible. How many Christians have actually read their Bible from cover to cover? Getting educated on what is actually in the Bible can also awaken a sleeping mind. Once you become familiar with scripture that is not so nice, you begin to form doubts.

One of my friends is Catholic and one agnostic bordering on atheism. I showed them...

Ezekiel 20:23: There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. - NIV

They were shocked that this was in the Bible. My Catholic friend said "I never knew that was in the Bible."

I told them I have a few more scriptures if they were interested. My Catholic friend was not. Uh huh.

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Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

by LAWHFol in

if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

Heaven

Christopher Hitchens is an excellent source of information on the subject of Religion and belief in god. He has many awesome quotes. Here are a few:

"What is more likely to be the truth? That the laws of nature are suspended or an unmarried, Jewish girl told a fib."

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Education makes you leave God

by FusionTheism in

quote from the watchtower, simplified edition, september 2015, "how can we show that we love jehovah?".

higher education often makes them lose their love for god..

Heaven

Higher education is the reason my parents used to give their JW cronies when these people would ask my parents if I was baptized.

The funny thing is.... my parents never asked me why I would not get baptized. Hmmmm....

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Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

by LAWHFol in

if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

Heaven

To answer the question in the Title:

The best argument for Atheism is the lack of evidence to support the existence of god.

To answer what is the CoC for Theism, that would be Theodicy.

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Why would anyone want to join jovie world?

by Doltologist in

i can understand why someone who was born of jovie parents would want to leave jovie world.

i can see why someone who had joined jovie world would want to leave.

after all, why would you want to stay in such an evil institution?.

Heaven

Simple. They want what they're 'selling' and/or they've been guilted or frightened into joining.

Many people are not educated, particularly about the group. Many people do not go and get educated about them and what they are claiming when they are approached either.

Really, the old saying is true... "There's a sucker born every minute."

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Well another one leaves the Borg.

by John Aquila in

i took a quick trip to the store and i happened to see a young man (about 26-28 years old) who got baptized about the same time i was leaving- about 2 years ago.

a couple of pioneer sisters found him in the door to door work.

one of them, a very attractive girl.

Heaven

Awesome story JA, thanks for sharing it.

If someone has a logical, reasoning mind it gets more and more difficult to accept what they try to shove down your throat day in and day out. And it's not just one little thing. It's EVERYTHING! The heap of crap just gets bigger and bigger.

Glad this young man had the strength to admit "This is not for me.", leave, and get on with his life.

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Apost8News: "Return to Jehovah" Official Literature Release Video - 2015 Convention Lowlight

by cappytan in

again, thanks to wifibandit and pixel for their work behind the scenes.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwzviu3jfko.

Heaven

If they have to put a brochure out about this, then it must be a significant problem.

I'll tell ya, my Dad, who was a Ministerial Servant, ain't returning ever.

He's wheelchair bound now, likes to take his clothes off in public, ties his shoe laces in complete knots, pours his soup into his shoes, sleeps a lot, and cannot put a complete lucid sentence together to save his life.

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What is your understanding of a christian Minister of God ?

by smiddy in

as i understand it ,a christian minister of god is someone who goes to school gets the opportunity to further their education at a higher level ,then studies greek hebrew , latin , and what is available in ancient manuscripts , and demonstrates they have a comprehension of all these issues.....and of course they would need to get a pass on these subjects.. i think this would be the minimum standard required in the mainstream christian churches ,greek orthodox , catholic, all branches ,church of england ,and most of the mainstream protestant religions.

then we come to jehovah `s witnesses , none of the above applies to them , all they have is , they have been baptized by water immersion into their religion with none of the above qualifications.. and this includes minors , some as young as ten , possibly even younger in some situations who are classed as ministers of god simply by their baptism by water immersion.. they are also on record as saying higher education is a waste of time.why ?

because the end is just around the corner , a phrase that has been repeated and repeated since the year 1914 till now.. what young child could possibly hold their own with a discussion in theology or even comprehend the complexities of christianity with their counterparts.?.

Heaven

Teflon Men.

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WT September 2015 (Public edition) - We never petition for Money

by Designer Stubble in

page 6 of the september 2015 public wt, under the heading "how is our ministry financed"our work is supported entirely by voluntary donations.

(2 corinthians 9:7) in 1879, the second issue of this magazine stated: zions watch tower [as this magazine was then called] has, we believe jehovah for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support.

we have not wavered from that policy.

Heaven

DD said: 4) A clip of Stephen "Hale-bopper" Lett, soliciting funds.