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  LOL Deut 13:1-5

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  omg i've never read this before or if i did i never caught it... .

  13 [a]if a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them, 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the lord your god is testing you to find out if you love the lord your god with all your heart and with all your soul.

  4 you shall follow the lordyour god and fear him; and you shall keep his commandments, listen to his voice, serve him, and cling to him.

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  Heaven

  This god sounds really co-dependent.
  

  
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Heaven

  Excellent points, cofty.
  

  The members in this thread claiming Bible veracity have clearly not researched it's origins. While there is a smattering of historical 'accuracy' in the Bible (for example, there is evidence to show cities called Megiddo, Hazor and Gezer did actually exist), the stories surrounding these have been greatly exaggerated, as Finkelstein says, to entrench the god Yahweh as the one true god over all others. There was definitely an idea, possibly agenda, to convert the ancient peoples from polytheism to monotheism. This actually carried on well past the time of the Bible (ala Crusades, Spanish Inquistion, Witch Burnings). By the way, they weren't 100% successful in this endeavour.
  

  I had an interesting conversation with my Father about the whole blood issue. He and I have the same blood type so I asked him if he would accept a blood transfusion from me. After all, half my blood is his blood, correct? He had to think about that for a while. He was struggling with whether or not my blood contained any 'contaminants' since I wasn't a JW. I said my blood could be tested and if found uncontaminated would he take it.

  He eventually answered a tentative 'no'. I told him that if he was ever in a situation where he needed a blood transfusion to save his life such as he was bleeding out, there would be no way I would watch him die in that manner. He just shrugged his shoulders.

  Perhaps if I had had cofty's points to argue back then, I may have been able to exact a different result.
  
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  Calling all lovers of Jehovahs and His Christ

  by vinman in

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  i must say that i have always loved jehovah and his son jesus christ.

  i have a 12 inch diameter telescope.

  i would go outside and listen to the psalms that praised to my god.

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  Heaven

  How are you dealing with discovering TTATT?

  It has confirmed my suspicions. And a huge weight has been lifted off of me. I no longer have Armageddon or demon nightmares.
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  Atheism

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  2. friends

  recent events and book reads (one suggested by cofty i believe- thank you) have lead me to the only logical and acceptable conclusion:.

  there is no god.. simple logical reasoning: matter can neither me created or destroyed.

  so the amount of mass in the universe is constant.

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  cappytan said: I would love to. It's too soon into my fade to come out completely this year.

  I hear ya on that one cappy. I debate with myself about 'coming out' publicly. I don't want to become an ISIS target. And I don't want it to adversely affect my career. I'm pretty sure my current boss is Catholic.
  
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  In a nutshell, what is the wackiest jw thing?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  what is the wackiest...strangest....most unusual jw teaching or practice?

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  In my opinion, the wackiest belief is that they are God's Chosen and are the one True Religion.

  If you can destroy this foundational belief with a JW, the entire house of cards follows.
  
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  Atheism

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recent events and book reads (one suggested by cofty i believe- thank you) have lead me to the only logical and acceptable conclusion:.

  there is no god.. simple logical reasoning: matter can neither me created or destroyed.

  so the amount of mass in the universe is constant.

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  Heaven

  Openly Secular Day approaches (Apr 23): http://www.openlysecular.org/.

  Has anyone here signed up or done a video?
  

  
  
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  How do you feel about religion as a whole?

  by FatherFirst in

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  it just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion.

  just curious, a personal poll if you will.

  what are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?

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  “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

  I have come to realize that God is a figment of the human imagination and nothing more. I much prefer the pursuit of truth through a mechanism that doesn't threaten to punish me if I don't believe.
  
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  What's with the hijab?

  by jws in

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  the hijab is one of a few headdresses worn by muslim women.

  from what i can tell, it is supposed to hide the femininity of the woman.

  because i'm sure as a muslim, it's going to all be the woman's fault if a man acts improperly due to attraction.. i don't agree with it, but hey, it's their religion and it doesn't hurt others, so have at it if you want to wear it.. let's face it.

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  Heaven

  I actually find a hijab quite feminine and attractive in it's appearance. It definitely does not hide a woman like a burka does.

  Symbolically, it is meant to show modesty and respect. Muslim women can only show their hair to their family and husband. There is something within a lot of fundamentalist faiths, not just Muslim, about covering the head to symbolically represent respect. I have far more issue with the burka than the hijab.
  
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  The "5 Pillars" of Witness life...

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  oh, there is one brother that keeps prattling on about "the 5 pillars of faith and worship".

  - prayer.

  - personal study.

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  Heaven

  It's rather suspect and creepy the use of this term as it is associated with Islam.
  
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  Going clear: Scientology

  by James Mixon in

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  a must see if you haven't seen it.

  some scary stuff.

  they pay their workers.

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  Heaven

  I enjoyed this interesting interview with Lawrence Wright on YouTube about "Going Clear": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noDEBbqxkF0

  Some high profile people have left Scientology including Paul Haggis, Leah Remini, and head honcho David Miscavige's niece. She recounts a lot of abuse occurring within this group. They are definitely isolating children from their parents and breaking child labour laws. Also, Miscavige's wife seems to have disappeared.