Posts by Violia

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For those who feel that their life has been stolen

by stillin in

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you maintained a level of personal decency and integrity that you almost certainly would not have had if you had chosen another direction.. sure, you would have had some very "colorful" friends and experiences if you had gone another way, but you still chose the more "edgy" people in the congregation as your friends and you still enjoyed yourself, even if there were a lot of phony constraints.. you looked for ways to be of value to others.

don't stop doing that!.

you kept the darker side of your personality in check.

Violia

Not exactly Stillin. I am reading that you find a bit of good in a glass of posion( to use one of the wts favorite examples ). Since you have not been hurt, well ok. The wts is not so bad b/c it has helped some folks- folks who could have received this "help" from other sources. I believe Outlaw's post was the best on this- nothing really good has come from the wts . They kept many of us in the Org. b/c " where is there to go?" Lots of places Stilla, lots of places. The same people who helped you destoryed others lives.

I was born into the working poor. We were not trash, just poor. My father worked everyday of his life. I got my work ethic from him. My mom was ill all my/ her life. I turned to the jws at an early age for a family. The jws were happy with me ( I was a wonderful example for young people) until I was old enough to date. I was then Selma from Peyton Place, the poor girl from other side of tracks who they liked and were ok to clean their homes , but not date their sons. I saw then that jws were no different than everyone else. In fact, for a religion who was so supposedly raceless and classless, they proved to be just like everyone else. Liars. I should have left then but it is hard to leave when all your family are jws. also, I thought I could prove to them I could "rise above" my beginnings . I tried so hard, but failed. Many other things happened to me as a child and teenager/adult in this Org. They hurt my parents, me and my family . I will not forget or forgive. They don't deserve it. They gave me nothing...nothing. There is a saying " you can't kill me I am already dead.". That is what they did to 3 generations of my family.

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For those who feel that their life has been stolen

by stillin in

jw
friends

you maintained a level of personal decency and integrity that you almost certainly would not have had if you had chosen another direction.. sure, you would have had some very "colorful" friends and experiences if you had gone another way, but you still chose the more "edgy" people in the congregation as your friends and you still enjoyed yourself, even if there were a lot of phony constraints.. you looked for ways to be of value to others.

don't stop doing that!.

you kept the darker side of your personality in check.

Violia

I live in the Bible Belt and Stillin, you could have received all kinds of help from any Fundy religion. Many function very similar to jws.

If that was the case you'd be on some other board telling folks how you gave your life to Jesus and he has kept you from womanizing and drug and drink all these years. Everyone needs a reason to get up in the am, if Jws are helping you , great. But you could have gotten this help at any decent religion and or AA, a good therapist.

I knew elders who lived double/ triple lives and smozed with the Bethel folks, fringe jws and died all honorable men. The wreckage they left behind them is all under a rug that maybe one day will be looked under.

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Get well Grace (Mouthy)

by label licker in

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a loud get well grace from all of us to you.

everyone, grace has been in and out of the hospital and i'm sure she would love to read your get wells.

we miss you grace:) wish i could post pictures.

Violia

you gang needs you. Get well Grace, we all love you and miss you.

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For those who feel that their life has been stolen

by stillin in

jw
friends

you maintained a level of personal decency and integrity that you almost certainly would not have had if you had chosen another direction.. sure, you would have had some very "colorful" friends and experiences if you had gone another way, but you still chose the more "edgy" people in the congregation as your friends and you still enjoyed yourself, even if there were a lot of phony constraints.. you looked for ways to be of value to others.

don't stop doing that!.

you kept the darker side of your personality in check.

Violia

My life would have more intergerty and DECENCY with or without the Gd WTS. That is straight out of the WTS playbook. Also, everyting OTWO said

Stillin, you are still a jw.

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Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?

by baltar447 in

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on one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.

without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.

they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.

Violia

He's a Hero to me, even though the Great Apostate Witch Hunt of the 80/90's hurt me a lot personally. Still, someone had to do it and I am glad it came from Bethel. It would have happened anyway but RF made it a very powerful. There really is no way to just leave the jws quietly, although in the late 60's and early 70's it was possible to just quit attending. They would call on you but most still considered you a brother unless you formally left, which few did. By the mid to late 70's it really became hard to just drop off the radar- although I have heard moving is very effective. That would not work as well now b/c of the net.

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FYI Article: Dear Abby - Childhood Sexual Abuse Still Haunts Adult Survivor

by AndersonsInfo in

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by abigail van buren.

share on facebook share on twitter <i class="fa fa-envelope"></i>email article contact dear abby print article dear abbythese are partial articles split into small sections.dear abby: after years of carrying this guilt, i want to tell my story.

Violia

There are so many of us.... I think this comes from " The color Purple" or maybe from Oprah herself, but it was said that a lttle girl did not stand much chance making it to adulthood wihtout being molested. I know it is worded differently but that is the essence of what was said. That can apply to little boys too.

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Convicted paedophile allowed to grill his victims at Jehovah's Witness meeting

by Sapphy in

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/convicted-paedophile-jonathan-rose-grilled-7151197.

oh my goodness, i'm so angry i can't even speak!

"women who complained that former jehovahs witness elder jonathan rose, 40, had molested them as children relived their nightmares in front of him after he was released from jail".

Violia

I put this on my face book . I seldom do that b/c some of the family is ( not jws) but still will defend their beliefs. It is so sad this sort of thing has been allowed to happen in the Org. but here is the written proof. The more exposure non jws get to this the more they will see what is behind jws dirty little curtain.

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How Many Had Chronic fatigue syndrome?

by OnTheWayOut in

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chronic fatigue syndrome refers to severe, continued tiredness that is not relieved by rest and is not directly caused by other medical conditions.. did you have many congregation members, particularly pioneers, that said they had " chronic fatigue syndrome" ?.

that's their "get-out-of-jail-free card.

" they were free to cancel anything at anytime and it was their legitimate reason for not doing anything that didn't involve field recruiting.

Violia

I worked in the medical field for a very long time too. I was working one night in the ER as a student. The nurse told me a woman had just come in who had bad headaches. She said they all knew she just wanted drugs. She was a frequent flyer. So she let me give her the the pain injection b/c I was a student and needed to learn ( I am sure it was painful as i was very new) Later that month she told me she had heard that woman had a brain tumor and she "almost felt bad" about being so mean but "oh well". Can you say cold blooded? or major burn out? A number of those in the medical field are just that-- burn outs that should not be allowed near people.

Who died and made you God so you get to declare someone a faker? Do you have extra powers so you can tell if someone is faking?

If I was in Bethel I'd say anything to be sent home.

I know many jws who are ill from stress b/c there life is filled with stress. Toward the end I had anxiety attacks just walking into a kh. I knew other sisters who also had them. Poor people.

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How Many Had Chronic fatigue syndrome?

by OnTheWayOut in

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friends

chronic fatigue syndrome refers to severe, continued tiredness that is not relieved by rest and is not directly caused by other medical conditions.. did you have many congregation members, particularly pioneers, that said they had " chronic fatigue syndrome" ?.

that's their "get-out-of-jail-free card.

" they were free to cancel anything at anytime and it was their legitimate reason for not doing anything that didn't involve field recruiting.

Violia

I must recall however that: passage 36

The soft overcomes the hard.

The slow overcomes the fast.

Let your workings remain a mystery.

Just show people the results.

Written by Lao-tzu-- Tao Te Ching
From a translation by S. Mitchell

and so you know I do have a sense of humor

http://www.cracked.com/article_19209_the-5-strangest-ways-your-mind-can-get-your-body-sick.html

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How Many Had Chronic fatigue syndrome?

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

chronic fatigue syndrome refers to severe, continued tiredness that is not relieved by rest and is not directly caused by other medical conditions.. did you have many congregation members, particularly pioneers, that said they had " chronic fatigue syndrome" ?.

that's their "get-out-of-jail-free card.

" they were free to cancel anything at anytime and it was their legitimate reason for not doing anything that didn't involve field recruiting.

Violia

a lot of people see " fakers" b/c they don't believe it is a real illness. There aren't as many fakers as one might think. So many people are ill and can't get proper treament or in some cases disability due to hateful attitudes among the medical profession and others who think if they have never had this illness--well it can't be real.

I will not defend anyone who mocks the ill for any reason. They should get to see what it feels like to be so lethargic you can't get out of bed.

Just b/c an illness does not have a name does not mean it does not exist. Many of the autoimmune diseases look very vague when they first present and many people ( typically the poor) are called fakers until the illness is so bad no one can deny it exists. So many people treated so badly due to hatefilled attitudes toward the sick.

Walk a few steps in someone elses shoes. Learn to be more tolerant. Even the jws who are sick due to stress are ill. BTW, I have had migranes , the mother of all migranes. I lay in bed for 3 days b/c we could not afford to go to a hospital . And once you do go they treat you as a drug seeker. My doc gave the meds to treat myself at home. IBS, is real. it is not always stress, although stress makes it worse. Even if it is stress, why do you or anyone else want to downplay this? Stress is very real and is a killer.

Stop mocking the ill , all of you. It is disgraceful.

ex spelling, no spell check

found a link about lack of empathy, sympathy etc

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LackOfEmpathy