Posts by Morbidzbaby

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You need a messiah

by StopTheTears in

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you might well ask that question, do we need a messiah?

yes, it would be logical to wonder whether a messiah would have any real effect on you.. .

some whose opinion you may respect would assure you that the answer is clear and unequivocal: you definitely do need a messiah, just as much as everyone else does.. .

While I applaud you for your conviction in what you believe, I must say I find it distasteful that you have put yourself in the judgement seat over the rest of us. YOU may feel YOU need a messiah. That's your right to feel that way. However, imposing your feelings on us as fact is pretty much the attitude that has made this world the way it is. People murdering other people for not believing the way they do. Parents strapping bombs to their children and making them into suicide bombers. It all starts with "MY belief is fact, YOURS is wrong". Even amongst Christians, it's "My Jesus is better than your Jesus".

How you feel about your beliefs is based on how you have interpreted the bible or how it has been interpreted FOR you. In other words, it's based on FEELING, since the bible has never been proven to be a factual book (quite the contrary, actually). Fact is never based on feeling. It's a conclusion that is based on solid evidence that cannot be refuted. When a conclusion is based on a feeling it becomes an OPINION. Everyone is entitled to have their opinions, but where it crosses the line is when those opinions become judgements upon another person's character, morals, and level of spirituality. Jesus himself was never credited with making such judgements. You can claim to be close to Jesus and have some sort of relationship with him, but if you are not applying his teachings, then how are you better than any of us?

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Snubbed big time last night.

by watersprout in

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Morbidzbaby

I haven't yet experienced this, but I'm kinda looking forward to it. You bet your ass I'll make an effort to say hello as well! Just because THEY will follow Watchtower rules doesn't mean I will! If they're looking to make me feel uncomfortable by shunning me, they're in for a rude awakening because THEY will be the ones who are uncomfortable.

My own father kind of made it clear the other day that once I've moved, I can no longer ask them for help if I need it. He said "If you find you don't like where you're living and you can't make it, call up your brother and move closer to him and let him help you out"... So basically, he wrapped an obvious lack of confidence in my ability to take care of myself in a coating of "don't ask us to help you anymore, we're done". All because I don't want this silly-ass cult. At first it made me sad to know that when I do move, they more than likely will not speak to me anymore. I know they have hope for my brother because he's inactive and hasn't made any remarks to THEM about his feelings about the WTBS (though he has to me, he's not as far gone as I am, though he does have a lot of doubts...he won't DA because he told me he's afraid that if they are right, he'll never get to go back...I need to work with him...). Amazingly, my brother is a baptized JW, living with his fiance', tattooed, pierced all over, etc...and they are upset that he never calls and hasn't for over 2 years. Yet, here I am, doing all I can to help them and have a relationship with them, and once I leave I'm not welcome to have any relationship with them. My dad said "Well, ya know, if you leave the Truth, you're considered worldly and we CANNOT associate with you"...nice huh? My father, who after years of avoiding it finally apologized for the abuse I suffered, is willing to abuse me even further for the sake of this cult.

My bf tells me I should be happy to be leaving them behind after the treatment I've gotten throughout my life and even now by my mother...lately she treats me like a leper. He asked "Baby? Why are you not jumping for fucking JOY that you'll be away from that? Why are you not ECSTATIC that everyone who's used you and abused you will be far away and you get a chance few people rarely ever do...you get a chance to push the reset button on your life and do it RIGHT this time...why are you so sad??". I guess I'm sad for what could have been...same reason I cried when my mother's mother died. I couldn't stand the woman. In my eyes, she was pure evil and no one else in the family besides mom, me and my brother, one of my aunts and her sons, ever knew why we felt the way we did. When she died I was angry and sad and mourning what SHOULD have been. I mourned a loss I had been suffering since the day I was born. And that's pretty much what this is. I have my sad days where I regret that I have to leave my family behind. But then I remember that because I'm a "big bad apostate", they don't want me anyway.

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Is there anyway you can Hypnotize your way out of this S**t!!!

by Star tiger in

hi all, .

with any of the new mind manipulative technologies can any of us forget the terrible experiences of the jehovahs witnesses, and live a normal life and so as to speak carry on as if these horrible times did not exist.. .

star tiger.

Morbidzbaby

Unfortunately, you have to go through it and emerge from the ashes and carry on. It's not easy. In fact, sometimes it's downright exhausting. But the end result, as Rebel8 said, is worth it.

One day, all of us exes will not give much thought to the cult that had us controlled. We will be free of the shackles they placed on us in EVERY sense, even mentally.

It's just that the road to get there is long and rocky.

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Kids doing the dirty work...

by MrFreeze in

a lot of times i noticed that jw's would have their little ones hold the magazines while out at the door.

i guess they figured it would make the householder more likely to take the trash.. well my parents tried to pull the same thing on me.

only with the memorial.

Morbidzbaby

Oy vey... Gotta love that. What person could say no to an innocent child asking them to go?

I could...and I'd explain to the child WHY, which the parents probably wouldn't like very much at all. But it would most likely put an end to the attempts.

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Could this set a precedent regarding the blood issue??

by Morbidzbaby in

http://abcnews.go.com/health/autism/kristen-labrie-sentenced-10-years-prison-withholding-sons/story?id=13383251&cid=espnheadline.

this mother was sentenced to 8 to 10 years for attempted murder because she refused to give her 9 year old son his chemotherapy medication, and thus it resulted in his death.. my first thought was that perhaps this is a stepping stone to parents being held responsible for not permitting lifesaving blood transfusions for their minor children, no matter if it is on religious grounds.

this woman's excuse was that the side effects of the medication were "painful" for her son (yet his resulting slow agonizing death was much more painful).

Morbidzbaby

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Autism/kristen-labrie-sentenced-10-years-prison-withholding-sons/story?id=13383251&cid=ESPNheadline

This mother was sentenced to 8 to 10 years for attempted murder because she refused to give her 9 year old son his chemotherapy medication, and thus it resulted in his death.

My first thought was that perhaps this is a stepping stone to parents being held responsible for not permitting lifesaving blood transfusions for their minor children, no matter if it is on religious grounds. This woman's excuse was that the side effects of the medication were "painful" for her son (yet his resulting slow agonizing death was much more painful). Could the JW excuse of having their ETERNAL life in mind when refusing a transfusion be held in the same derision?

Just a thought...

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Reading the mags cover to cover properly, how often does this happen?

by highdose in

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how many people here actualy read those magazines cover to cover, every word, taking it all in?

i never did, i always speed read, towards the end my speed reading was roughly averaging the same as the speed of light!.

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Morbidzbaby

I only picked out the articles that were of interest to me. Anything "spiritual" got skipped over.

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For those attending tomorrow.....

by cantleave in

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we salute you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shci6ve-ple.

Morbidzbaby

I couldn't stomach it. Not even for an hour. Not even for a minute. For those who are going, I'm sending you some strength to endure it...

AND WE EXPECT A FULL REPORT, SOLDIERS! lol

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APOSTATES-yes another thread about 6/15 WT

by darth frosty in

talking to blackman about the article and was thinking...didn't the whole apostate thing first start getting recognition in the 70's?.

i seem to remeber a thread saying that apostates were a contrivence enforced in the 70's to combat the 1975 fiasco.. could someone research the amount of times apostacy is used before the 70's compared to how much they used or warned against it after the 70's..

Morbidzbaby

darth frosty, interestingly, the Watchtower seems to be using the word "apostate" in regard to Christendom and the clergy during the pre-70's period.

For instance, the November 1, 1951 Watchtower has an article called "The Triumph of Clean, Undefiled Worship" in which the word "apostate" is used 7 times, but only ever in reference with the church. However, the January 15, 2006 Watchtower has an article called "Do Not Allow Place for the Devil" in which Satan is called the foremost apostate and Adam and Eve are referred to as "apostasizing" and the reader is encouraged to not even greet an apostate.

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APOSTATES-yes another thread about 6/15 WT

by darth frosty in

talking to blackman about the article and was thinking...didn't the whole apostate thing first start getting recognition in the 70's?.

i seem to remeber a thread saying that apostates were a contrivence enforced in the 70's to combat the 1975 fiasco.. could someone research the amount of times apostacy is used before the 70's compared to how much they used or warned against it after the 70's..

Morbidzbaby

I've always thought that, wobble. The truth, the absolute truth, can stand up to scrutiny and will ALWAYS come out victorious. So, if they had the truth, there would be nothing to be afraid of. They could tell all of the rank and file to research for themselves and to go ahead and look at apostate material and find out what they have to say because, in the end, the truth is the truth and will be proven so no matter what is brought against it. The fact that they are afraid to let the "truth" speak for itself is very telling.

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Blondie Rocks!!!

by snowbird in

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she provided a scan of the 2-1-77 watchtower that gave instructions to have the wt study paragraphs read first, then the questions propounded.. prior to that, the questions were asked first, then paragraphs were read.. i attended my first kh meeting in 1973; i was quite perplexed by the study method because i could see that the magazine was given preference over the bible.. thanks, blondie!

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sylvia.

Morbidzbaby

I agree, the woman is a wealth of knowledge and her "Comments" articles have helped me IMMENSELY.