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  How I obtained my personal files from Bethel

  by jwfacts in

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  2. scandals

  it has taken me a long time, but i have finally put together an article outlining how i used the law to force bethel to send me my personal files.

  it is a very long article full of scans, so i have linked to it at http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/personal-files-privacy-act-1988.php.

  in brief, in 2006 i requested that bethel send me my files on the basis that the australian privacy act 1988 entitles people to receive a copy of any information a corporation holds about them.

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  Phee

  I wonder...

  Since I was a minor at the time when I was a witness and at the time I left.... Would this have any impact on whether personal files should be released? (I'm in the US)

  I find it interesting that they showed my Mom a "Letter of disassociation" that I wrote when I was 14 to my Father, who, which I didn't know until recently, gave it to the Elders. The reason it's so interesting is because I didn't leave and had continued 'privledges' until I was 16, however they used this letter as proof that I disassociated myself, even though they ignored this "letter" until I stopped going.

  I don't think that I really care at this point....but I have to wonder about so many inconsistencies with my file and dates where they've covered things up with my rape by a MS, they've used 'portions' of my file to show some close friends that were fighting for me as some sort of proof that I was the bad person in all of this. Even though I was threatened with lawyers and disfellowshipping when I was only 14 and a victim of rape.

  After all was said and done, one of my close friends actually told me "Jehovah will always take out the weeds from among us." So they obviously made something look much different than it really was. And she no longer talks to me since then.

  Good work Paul! I appreciate your courage and willingness to fight for what is rightfully yours.

  -Phee
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  Since Leaving "The Truth" Are You Really Happier?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  witnesses say that when people leave "the truth", they get involved in a debauched life, misery, and general unhappiness.. they give experiences of some that left the "sweet fellowship" of the "brotherhood" and the awful results because of it.

  then, they come back and their lives change 100% for the better!.

  have you found life to be miserable and unproductive since "leaving jehovah"?.

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  "Happier"....Hrmmm...

  Well, Looking at my life while I was "in" is a nightmare in it's self. What I HATE about my life NOW, is that I feel like a foreiner in a new country. I'm learning everything brand new. Although, it has it's advantages, I feel that my perspective on things is very different than most people I come in contact with. Because what most people have taken for granted (education, work, family, etc..) I am just now learning how to deal with.

  Being a JW doesn't exactly teach you how to deal with real life, so I am self taught. It's a hard road to travel down, so I could see how this trial and error period definitely puts people in a perculiar situation and (IMO) people tend to be happiest when they are in their comfort zone. But once you change that comfort zone, things tend to get easier and happier.

  I'm saying this from a naive perspective. I am very naive and I feel that is because of my up-bringing. They (JW's, IMO) only teach you how 'bad and terrible' things are out here...and when I got out, I was so paranoid, waiting for the other shoe to drop so-to-speak... I feel I put myself in situations that MADE life worse because it's what I expected to happen. When I got older and stopped being so foolish about it and calmed down, life was smooth and easy.

  I was VERY young when I left. I'm growing up (nearly 30 now! lol) still. But I now have the freedom to love life and see how absolutely ridiculous the things they say are! I listen to my Mother drone on about it and I can't believe that any adult could actually believe this way.

  So, to the point here...yes, NOW I'm happier. MUCH, even. Just took me a long time to get there.

  -Phee
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  JW C@fe: "F*CK 'EM!"

  by sacolton in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the comment "fuck 'em!

  " has been left for three hours and it's still there.. .

  if some of you may recall, i posted on jw c@fe "praise jesus!

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  Phee

  LMAO!! They have a skit from www.theonion.com on there about Obama lip syncing. Conicedently, it's one of my favorite news spoof sites.

  And my favorite comment about it "It's demon-speak no matter how you look at it."
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  New "apostate" here! Recent WT study- 'We may ask you to do something that may not understand' (basically- DO IT)

  by 20+wastedYRS in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i will get to the big shocker that i read within the last year or two in a wt study article, so please bear with me... i am new to this forum and have been reading postings for several days now, and can relate totally to many of the issues that many ex-jw have.

  i was raised "around" the truth and although my parents were never "dipped", they wouldn't allow us to celebrate holidays or stand for natl anthem (not that i care now).

  so i basically had many of the pressures and stress that witness kids had growing up, but with no spiritual support, as we attended only a handful of meetings while my parents studied when i was 5or6.

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  20+,

  Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I'm happy you are venting!! It's great to talk things out with people that completely understand your position.

  You yell and rant, we'll listen and nod. =)

  Glad you 'woke up' and welcome to the board!

  -Phee
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  Which coffee person are you?

  by Newborn in

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  2. friends

  espresso (single or double)?capuccino?latte?latte macchiato?american coffee?coffee with flavour?black coffee with milk or sugar?i am definately a latte person!!

  gotta have one each morning.. i regret we don't have starbucks in sweden.

  /newby.

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  We have a cappacino machine at home....I have one every morning. We grind the beans ourselves...(well, with a machine, not really "ourselves" because that would be ridiculous when they have machines for it)

  ....ahem...Uhmmm....just creamer. I get (every twelve weeks) bags of coffee sent automatically from bocajava.com....you can pick your own flavors and stuff.

  -Phee
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  Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs?

  by minimus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i knew of a handful (which is too many) that were molested by a jehovah's witness.

  it was not typical in my experience.

  what about you???.

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  Yeah...me. =(
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  After 3 yrs, 2 mos......MY WIFE HAS AWAKENED!!! JOIN US IN A TOAST!

  by Open mind in

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  words fail me.. .

  om & wife!.

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  Awww! Congrats!
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  Things in North Michigan?

  by dogon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how are things in north michigan?

  i hear that they are very bad for employment and business.

  i used to know a couple of people who were in the design of homes, i think their business was lake st. design.

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  I grew up in Northern Michigan...my Sister still lives there.

  Here are a few tidbits of my opinion about the economy up there...

  It's ALWAYS been BAD. They're like a third world country I swear! Third world countries don't feel recession because they don't have money to begin with.

  Unless you know someone or related to someone with their own company, you can't possibly hope to get a good paying (Great pay up there is about $14.00 per hour, you'd be considered RICH) job so you get stuck working at the local bar, gas station or WalMart for the rest of your life. When we go to visit up there...people that have been working at the same gas station since I was barely old enough to see over the counter, are still there.

  Northern Michigan has always been a great place to visit...but I couldn't live there ever again unless I had a pension that was a sure thing.

  This is just my assessment of what it's like up there. Take it for what it's worth. =)

  -Phee
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  I have new neighbors

  by asilentone in

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  2. friends

  i have new neighbors, they are weird.

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  Phee

  You could offer them WT's everytime you see them in the backyard....that would surely keep them in their front yard.

  Or...

  You could put up a curtain...I've seen stuff like that on home and garden shows...they put together frame out of pipe and hang 'outside material' from it, of course that will take a little sewing on your part. Then you can make different curtains to match the season...Or whatever...the room divider/privacy wall thing is a good idea too.
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  Questions for Americans...

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this isn't meant to be insulting, this is stuff i honestly want to know from you guys....

  do you call it "fall" rather than "authum" ( spelt that wrong).

  "dipers" instead of "nappies"?.

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  WHY?...

  "sidewalk" instead of "pavement"....depends on where you're from in the USA...Ashphalt, sidewalk, pavement, walkway, boardwalk, macadam, concrete, cement, blacktop, tar, path....etc...

  Why do so many of you demonise alcohol? ....We do?? Everything in moderation dear.

  why do you love british accents?...I love them because they make everything sound so damn clever! LOL...Like saying "Brilliant" or "Bloody hell"...even "Rubbish in the bin" sounds more clever than "Trash in the can".

  -Phee