It's nice that some started this up, my question is "Is this charity making donations of any sort to WTS and if so how much?"
Seems WTS likes to have it's tentacles into everything and it itself is made up of various charities so that's why I ask.
we have just seen a lettre sent by the bethel in holland (emmen) to the dutch elders.. the document is dated 14 april 20008. the society doesn't allow that a member of a congregation takes the initiative to open a rest home.
for old brothers and sisters.. we wonder if the instructions were local or spread worldwide.. thank you for your help.
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It's nice that some started this up, my question is "Is this charity making donations of any sort to WTS and if so how much?"
Seems WTS likes to have it's tentacles into everything and it itself is made up of various charities so that's why I ask.
here in italy rome wts sell and letterature stamp in germany and also speanish do so close all... and workers what do?.
why wt$ do this ?
some body know?
What will they do with all the millions (billions?) of dollars from selling their real estate? Give it to the poor?
Money will go into a black hole also known as world wide work.
wondering something else:.
while a jw, did you ever know anyone who disassociated?
and if so, did you ever talk to that person afterwards to find out why they disassociated?.
parakeet:
True I don't have to but I rather know who my friends are, there is no point of keeping contact with anyone that will abandon my friendship when I may need it so might as well get it done and over with that goes for watchtower friends or family members. I've helped my wife's family members in the past so if they treat me as I think they will it will allow me not to have to see them or help them again in the future lol I don't want any watchtower hold on me so DA letter should clear a lot of things and hopefully will close a chapter of my life and hopefully I can move on and maybe not do so much research on WTS as there are better things in life than wasting researching WTS history and it's corrupt leaders but it seems that a lot of people just don't walk away from this type of crap and that's just from reading stuff on this board :) WTS sure screwed over ALOT of people.
do you have experience as an elder and the contribution arrangement for assemblies or conventions?
an upcoming watchtower comments video will be exposing the resolution arrangement that makes this a cash-cow for the society.. i am particularly interested in recent experience, including countries other than the us.. let's get our facts straight and explain the ever-present "deficit" once and for all.. v. [email protected] .
Roddy:
sometimes it works for me and sometimes it doesn't.
main link to charitible tax returns is:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip/srch/sec/SrchLogin-e?login=true&searchType=Registered
that should work, under charity name just type in "jehovah assembly" and it should list assembly halls in Canada but not all and I don't know why. But I tried it just now and it says "We apologize, but this link is currently unavailable." so I don't know what's up with the government server. keep trying and just follower the directions when you get it. It's all there you can search watch tower or jehovah which should give returns for Canadian bethal and Canadian KHs returns and all that. Sorry I couldn't be of more help but have no control over the government site :)
....millions of jehovah's witnesses also change theirs.
instantly.. it's all about choices, people.. .
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Let's see, is it logical for Jehovah to use Russell who taught, yes taught not thought as WTS may make you believe that last days started in 1799! Russell taught that Christ returned in 1874 and began to rule as king in 1878 and that they would be taken to heaven in 1914. I'm sure there were others on this planet that worshipped Jehovah at that time but I guess God choce Russell who advertised Miracle Wheat but didn't make any money from it since all donations went to Watchtower Society of which Russell owned 47,000 shares out of 50,000 which would translate to Russell being Watchtower. Now, Russell didn't want to satisfy his wife because he needed to remain a virgin since it's these that go to heaven thus needed to live a cold married life with his wife but had no problem groping a girl who he was like a husband to but making sure Mrs didn't get no money he transfered all his cash to Watchtower and then when she filed for divorce he didn't have a penny to give her because a "holy" man that he was he had nothing to show for. Ahh but that was just the beginnings that God needed to use someone, so when Russell died a better man took upon himself to be a leader a judge who in fact wasn't a judge but liked the title of a judge so everyone called him such. He claimed that there was more prove in the bible that the ancients were going to be resurrected in 1925 and there was more proof of that from the bible than that of 1914 and to prove that was so he build Beth Sarim to show the world the faith that the ancients were returning but since he didn't want to waste the mansion sitting there he went out of his way to live there and drive the 16 cylindar Cadillac on the behalf of those who would be resurrected that way their car would be worn in after all. Besides Rutherford and those of his societies had devine knowledge as to identify those who would claim to be resurrected ancients but none showed up. As the war began he needed to have couple bunkers build just in case so when he died he was hoping to be burried by his mansion or if that didn't fly with the authorities he was hopeful to be burried on Beth Shan - but the evil satanic governments also refused that request. Now that is how the persecution befalls the poor WTS by all the enemies of god and from the start there were no better honost men then these for God to use. After all, it was in 1919 that WTS was cleansed and faithful servent was appointed by returned Christ that is also why it took another 5 years to see that Christ didn't began to rule in 1878 but in 1914 and it took another 12 or so years to realize that Christ didn't return in 1874 but in fact in 1914 and that is how long it takes for the light to get brighter since it's sooo distanced from the real source of light thus 1925 was only a misjudgment my a judge who was better than others and could explain Christ's truth to them better than any other man at the time. Yes this must have been direction by Christ which He channelled to the people through the WTS! Yes this is the society that is chosen and directed by God to lead mankind and they are the ones everyone should follow because there weren't any better men on earth for God to use because it makes sense that God would use men that lie and decieve and come up with dates to test His faithful since when God said that He doesn't test his people with evil He must not have been thinking of false predictions they would lead people by. When Christ said that no one knows the day nor the hour obviouly Christ wasn't telling the whole story because He knew that the year could have been calculated by only reading the bible and using 606BC for destruction of the temple even though facts show that it was 587BC but it was also a proof of inspiration that 1914 was revealed to the faithful slave even though they couldn't calculate properly and only decades later the new light was revealed that it wasn't 606BC but in fact 607BC but their date was still correct non the less. It is also a fact that all the historical evidence that pointed to 539BC of Babylonian fall to Cyrus was only partially correct because their found evidence that temple destruction in 587BC was wrong! That is why WTS has such insign where they can use same body of evidence and judge some as valuable as 539BC evidence prove to be and other evidence they can throw out as compromised or as non-reliable such as 587BC. That is what makes WTS a faithful body to follow no matter where they go and it's too bad for me that I don't follow such wise men even though they're imperfect I'm sure any possible wrong they do will be excussed and forgiven them while all other people including their own followers will be beaten to death for questioning them. Their light must travel from Pleiades constellation where God's throne is located and that's why it takes such a long time for the light to get brighter, Russell was right all along and too bad he's not around now so he could have maybe expound more on the passages of the pyramid of Giza where we are in the plan of the ages.
wondering something else:.
while a jw, did you ever know anyone who disassociated?
and if so, did you ever talk to that person afterwards to find out why they disassociated?.
I haven't but I'm in a process of writing my DA letter, I don't know why I bother to write an explenation but maybe it's only to hope that those that read it will actually look up some information and open their eyes to the deception. They have no grounds to df me other than what I know about wts so I guess I will know first hand how it feels to be free of the cult like mentality. My side of the family is not involved with WTS so no big deal, my wife's side is and from what I gather from her they won't talk to me so my view is that they can go and fuck themselves since who needs these type of fake friends/family anyway? They can follow their bullshit leaders to their graves if they want I will not be swayed by liers and decievers.
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just wondering....... are there certain teachings / beliefs they don't tell a person who is studying....until after they're baptized?.
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New ones only know the present history but have NO clue about the past and that's how WTS keeps moving forward. Once the past is revealed and one studies the leaders even Russell or Rutherford one becomes aware of the deception. If one is unbaptized one can have an easier way out, newly baprized will have and eassier way out, a loner like me will have an easier way out but anyone that likes association and groups and lots of friends and has their entire family involved in WTS will have a hell of a time getting out for fear of losing everything! And that is what WTS doesn't tell those studying with! After all those attending meetings for most part are ignorant of WTS facts thus ignorant and can't even prepare the unbaptized for what may occur to them if they look to deeply into WTS dealing.
not paedophilia - as much as that must be dealt with.
not blood, shunning, corruption, failed prophecy, bunked chronology, the internet or u.n type scandals.. the biggest issue/threat the watchtower faces is authority.. hold up any other issue before a true jw and the shutters come down.
because they have listened to 'authority'.
I find it funny when I refer to my self as an apostate as refered to by Watchtower. IMO Russell was crooked from the start and Rutherford only build on the wrong foundation so WTS has nothing to do about being true religion so when they call someone an apostate it's just a joke!
Now some people wonder why many turn against God and the bible, well I'm still at the state where I believe the bible and I still worship Jehovah God. Said that, Watchtower weakens anyone's belief in God when an individual learns the truth. To me WTS is an organization that follows angel of light in a way. They use many things found in the bible andapply many things, from outside it appears that it is Christian and it appears that they try to maintain a Christian lifestyle and from that assumption one comes to think of them as God's worshippers. When one actually looks deeper then one find the dark side to this religion and that is what stumbles many to reject WTS and at the same time question the very existence of God. I know I've lost some faith since I would have never ever question the existence of God before but now I am not sure - I'll leave it at that.
If there is a God then He doesn't have a religion or an organization but knows those that seek him and try to live up to His standards.
If there is no God and we all evolved from nothing then my consious struggle is, is there such thing as moralety? If we are just as the rest of animals but limit ourselves because of man's imposed moral values on us is there really anything bad that we do? If we "cheat" on our wives - is that wrong? Animals don't have a problem with that so why do we? If we feel like stealing or killing is there such a thing as wrong if we really have no one to answer to but only fear of getting caught? If there is no God how can we pass judgement on some one we percieve evil as a pedophile or a murderer? Really don't animals kill? Just because we have a superior thinking abilities but if there is no God any moral justification for not doing so called bad deed is only mental state which animals don't agree with this moral code. Animals kill to eat but sometimes they kill to prove to be a leader of a pack- if there is no God can murderers be looked at as evil when they're just acting out their natural behaviour and we look at them as evil because they've been caught and we hate them because that's how we have been programmed to reason by society? If there is no God is there anything we can't do?
If there is a God, obviously everything changes and we must reason that to some degree we have to limit out actions so may be we can be preserved alive or have a hope of some sort of extension of life beyond what we've got left her on earth at present time? At present I still worship Jehovah God but I know that WTS is a decietful religion, more than many because they pretend to be following the bible to such a great extend that when the lies come forth it destroys a man spiritually in many ways. IMO when people leave WTS many go to the extrems because of their mental state - many think that they will be destroyed at armageddon so why not live it up. Or there is no God so what the fuck, might as well do whatever. Either way many that leave WTS tend to move away from principals found in the Bible. Like I said earlier, my faith in God has been weakened due to WTS's facts coming to light and as I keep seeking knowledge I don't know where I'll be a year or two from now and personally I hope I prove to myself that God is real but time will tell.
Also as for WTS finally falling apart it will be both the authority and finance that will do it. IMO the elimination of the bookstudy is to prop up the donations for the KHs as there are only two meetings the likelyhood of greater attendence of Thursday meeting increases and thus more people will feel like they will be using the KH more thus more chance of them donating more than usual or maybe more on regular basis. Hours for recruitment dropped so that will keep the followers thinking that they are achieving WTS goals thus proving themselves to Christ for their eternal life reward so maybe more will keep going longer. If enough sheeple continue to buy GB's BS that they have to be careful about so called apostate sites and any info about WTS is partially true and they follow that advise they will never learn the facts about WTS, but WTS has set themselves up for a limited period in time when sooner or later they will have to revise 1914 and loose a majority of the faithful or they will at some time do something extremly stupid which will rival other cult groups. Big question is "What do GB really believe?" Another way for them to fall apart is when (if God exists) Christ does return and finds them(WTS) not worthy and judges them deserving destruction. B's authority will wane in minds of those that have been around for a while and nothing occurs but then WTS will write articles that we are in not for a date but to walk with God where some may leave but that will be logical enough for many to stick it out with WTS even if they feed them enough BS before they screap 1914 lie. Even if many left, WTS would sell of bunch of KHs and cash in, while the many others that stick around would feel that was a time of testing and would continue knocking to recruit more and the new comers wouldn't know the BS of 1914 just like many don't know anything about 1874, 1925 or 1975. So even if the membership collapsed by 50% the WTS would have a lot of revenue from selling off the empty buildings and consolidating congregations and packing 3,4 or 5 congregations into 1 building reasoning the times are tough. Remember, it is rare for leaders to have it rough.
do you have experience as an elder and the contribution arrangement for assemblies or conventions?
an upcoming watchtower comments video will be exposing the resolution arrangement that makes this a cash-cow for the society.. i am particularly interested in recent experience, including countries other than the us.. let's get our facts straight and explain the ever-present "deficit" once and for all.. v. [email protected] .
here's a link to Canadian Assembly hall's tax returns, compare some to each other. I know Norval, Ontario( 90% sure :) ) and Onoway, Alberta ( 100% sure ) don't have any kingdom halls in them and are strictly used for assemblies. I don't know why more didn't appear as I know there is one in Calgary that has 5 kingdom halls in it which is also used as an assembly hall.
some old timer jws (and probably some newer ones as well) say that they (the watchotwer) predicted world war i which broke out in 1914.. they apparently truly believe that statement.. how would you answer?.
I would pull out my copy of "Thy Kingdom Come" and show the poor fellow that he has no clue what he's talking about. And tell him to maybe find facts before preaching nonsence. Mayans predicted 2012 so they're closer than Russell ever was even if the end came this year LOL How would they explain that one???