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Has any GB member ever applied for USA citizenship?

by maryacclaim in

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this subject may have already been hashed out on here in the past so let me know if so.. i was just curious though, because it would be an excellent point when discussing malawai and such.. here's the oath of citizenship:.

i hereby declare, on oath, that i absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which i have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that i will support and defend the constitution and laws of the united states of america against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that i will bear arms on behalf of the united states when required by the law; that i will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the united states when required by the law; that i will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that i take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me god.. just wondering.. .

maryacclaim

This subject may have already been hashed out on here in the past so let me know if so.

I was just curious though, because it would be an excellent point when discussing Malawai and such.

Here's the oath of Citizenship:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

Just wondering.

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I got reinstated, cont.

by maryacclaim in

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thanks blondie for the comment, i have to say you are one of the famous here on j-w.net so its an honor.. to answer some of those who think i did this and now i live a lie or a life of regret, i say this.. i did live a lie most of my life, i had so many questions that never got answered.

i didn't want to do bad by no means but i also didn't feel it was an organizations right to strip someone of their rights due to a difference of opinion.

it was actually a great deed they did for me when they df'd me.

maryacclaim

I have to say,

Thanks Blondie for the comment, I have to say you are one of the famous here on J-W.net so its an honor.

To answer some of those who think I did this and now I live a lie or a life of regret, I say this.

I did live a lie most of my life, I had so many questions that never got answered. I didn't want to do bad by no means but I also didn't feel it was an organizations right to strip someone of their rights due to a difference of opinion. It was actually a great deed they did for me when they DF'd me. I may never have taken the time to truly reseach what I thought to be truth and right from wrong. When I did search, one of the things I found was that the JW's are like just about every other sect of christianity, LOST.

I will not go to many meetings.

I live far away enough away from my relatives and old friends that I can pull this off with little to no issues. I had timed my reinstatement to be right before I had to move. I even asked in my reinstatement letter that my traveling be considered and not to view it as me purposely missing meetings. Ha ha I know. So I then started to be gone longer periods and then mentioned to them I may have to be out of town quite a while when I moved. They have never even called since.

As for my family and friends. I just ask view point questions, just like they tought us to do so well. I'm pretty sure about 5 of my family members are starting their fade and a lot of my friends were already fading, just didn't know it, cuz most of them were on board with the thoughts I shared with them. As for the ones that will never change. Why change em'? Everybody has had that person in their life that is blindly devoted to something without questioning it in any way and sometimes you just have to let it be.

I had good circumstances for this fade, so I went for it.

I will say I'm not gonna be sad and have hurt feelings for the rest of my life against the JW's just because they all bought into one of the biggest lies in history. I don't have time for that.

Peace

MA

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I just got reinstated!

by maryacclaim in

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maryacclaim

I have to say,

Thanks Blondie for the comment, I have to say you are one of the famous here on J-W.net so its an honor.

To answer some of those who think I did this and now I live a lie or a life of regret, I say this.

I did live a lie most of my life, I had so many questions that never got answered. I didn't want to do bad by no means but I also didn't feel it was an organizations right to strip someone of their rights due to a difference of opinion. It was actually a great deed they did for me when they DF'd me. I may never have taken the time to truly reseach what I thought to be truth and right from wrong. When I did search, one of the things I found was that the JW's are like just about every other sect of christianity, LOST.

I will not go to many meetings.

I live far away enough away from my relatives and old friends that I can pull this off with little to no issues. I had timed my reinstatement to be right before I had to move. I even asked in my reinstatement letter that my traveling be considered and not to view it as me purposely missing meetings. Ha ha I know. So I then started to be gone longer periods and then mentioned to them I may have to be out of town quite a while when I moved. They have never even called since.

As for my family and friends. I just ask view point questions, just like they tought us to do so well. I'm pretty sure about 5 of my family members are starting their fade and a lot of my friends were already fading, just didn't know it, cuz most of them were on board with the thoughts I shared with them. As for the ones that will never change. Why change em'? Everybody has had that person in their life that is blindly devoted to something without questioning it in any way and sometimes you just have to let it be.

I had good circumstances for this fade, so I went for it.

I will say I'm not gonna be sad and have hurt feelings for the rest of my life against the JW's just because they all bought into one of the biggest lies in history. I don't have time for that.

Peace

MA

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I just got reinstated!

by maryacclaim in

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maryacclaim

Ok so I got to a computer.

@boyzone- It's really good for me!

@Quietly leaving- Thanks

@alanv- You're right on the money.

I did it exactly how I had to do it in order for them to reinstate me. When I realized that my family and friends had drank the coolaid and there would be no reasoning with them, I knew what I had to do. It was time consuming and hard to stomach at times but I did as the little lady in Jesus story of the woman, who kept asking, did. I just kept sending in my letter, saying how broken I was being outside of the Christian brotherhood. I needed my relationship to be clean again, and how sorry I was for the wrongs I committed. I did feel a little weird saying that I had faith in Gods earthly appointed organization to make the right decision. But it was worth it. Being a fader is so much better than getting done so dirty by people that have no clue of what they really believe in in the first place.

My family and friends were so happy for me, it's pretty pathetic that they have been so influenced by this group of dupes.

I don't fault any of them though. After spending a great deal of time considering all the teachings of the earths religions, I feel they are just as lost as the rest of them and they are doing the best they know how. However, its just all really sad that they use the fear of loosing your loved ones if you disagree with them, and there's the rub. Otherwise, most of us would have just left free and clean years ago.

MA

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I just got reinstated!

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I just got reinstated!

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Clarifying the Trinity Doctrine

by UnDisfellowshipped in

since there is so much confusion among ex-jw's, jw's, and christians in general about exactly what the trinity doctrine is, i decided to post this to clarify this teaching.. the historical trinity doctrine of the christian (protestant and catholic) churches has always been this:.

* there is only one true god by nature.. * there are three distinct persons who share equally the nature of god.. * there are not three different gods (that is the false doctrine of tritheism or polytheism).. * there is not one person who is revealed three different ways (that is the false doctrine of modalism).. * however, each person of the trinity does have his own "role" or "function.

" the son willingly obeys the father.

maryacclaim

All these posts leave me with more questions than answers. It seems to me that you can twist the scriptures to mean just about anything. I can't say I agree with any of the Father and Son being equal stuff what so ever. However, there is many areas open to translation so if you feel a certain way, enjoy it, cause I am sure God gets a kick out of all of us being so inept in this area of understanding.

Maybe one day all of us will know what it all means. Meanwhile, Jesus said, love the Father with your whole heart, whole soul, and whole mind. And love your neighbor.

So I love you guys.

Thats it.

MaryAcclaim

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Heard from the stage during local needs.

by maryacclaim in

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when i lived in socal, one of the things that came up was the fact that the spanish cong.

was not contributing enough for their share of the expenses.

they sent our cong.

maryacclaim

When I lived in SoCal, one of the things that came up was the fact that the Spanish Cong. was not contributing enough for their share of the expenses. They sent our Cong. a letter explaining how they were a poor Cong. and could not afford to contribute.

Our Presiding overseer gave the local needs talk and said straight out, "They are writting us and saying that they can't afford to contribute for their share, because they are too poor. They have better cars than any of us, maybe they should sell some of those cars before they ask us to help pay for their expenses. I was going to say we should help out, and I was gonna have a vote and make a motion, but instead we are gonna tell them they have to come up with the money." Now, the way he delivered this was so funny the entire hall was loosing it. We couldn't stop laughing.

Do you have any funny things you have heard?

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Can't speak with me, unless they need something

by Stan Conroy in

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after many, many years outside of the jw world, my elderly parents finally decided to give me an ultimatum.

i either rejoin the jw's or they will never speak with me again.

apparently my brother is going to get the same choice.

maryacclaim

Stan, my father is a total tool as well at times. The WT tells them they can handle business and such with us, but not spiritual things. Yet, that is what he always does, brings out things he has read in the latest WT that he thinks will help me. Tell your parents that they are not following the FDS in this regard. When they call for something they need, tell them that if you were a Jdub you would tell them to suck it, but as a christian you feel the need to help the blind that are being led by the blind. Kill them with kindness and just let them know how great things are with your family and how wonderful your kids are doing, show them pictures and explain how they love your wifes parents so much. That should put them over the edge.

Reniaa, so you are a witness again? Using the term "We."

Password, you know the scriptures say stuff about "judging those in the cong. while god judges those outside." Or. "Not even eating with such a man, or saying a greeting." Now where you're right is, there is no scripture that says you should shun your family. There is no scripture that says if a husband commits a wrong he is no longer the spiritual head of the family, otherwise most of the men of old would not be the heads of their household. The WT would have ones beleive that once a member of the family gets DF'd, that he no longer should share in spiritual matters with the family. That is BS. Pure and simple!

MaryAcclaim

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Why Do So Many DF'd End In Some Sort Of Trouble?

by african GB Member in

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most ex-jw's df/da that i know end up living a dangerous life.

some get into drugs, prostitution, gangsterism,etc.

as a result they prove the jw theory that says "whoever leaves jehovah's organisation won't make it" right.. it's difficult for me to say this, but it seems like jw's are partly right on this one.. why do most ex-dubs end up in a predicament of some sort?

maryacclaim

I think the words of "Ninja" describe this post best....

Psh...

Double Psh psh...

This post is really dumb.

When children start to make mistakes, the world even sees that it is a good idea to spend more quality time with them and get them involved in the community so the feel they belong to something.

When the WT sees that the kid is making mistakes, SHUNNED.

Probably, not the best idea when they just need our love.

But wait, if we go by the WT it is us showing love by SHUNNING them and to that...

Pshhh

Pshhh Pshhh.....