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JW's from "The World" have a easier time going "Back Out Into The World"?

by BBOARD in

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we all know how hard it is, usually, for those rasied in the truth to readjust "outside in the world" once they leave ... so not to undermine them (esp.

for those who came in later in life - regardless of how many times from the podium you were instructed not to "leave the love you had at first" many of you are here because you found out the "truth about the truth" whether it was the people or doctrine or combination ... and were willing to open your mind, realize the "truth about the truth" and leave.

not to undermine all those years and mind numbing propaganda you endured in the jw's, but i have always felt: .

Bring_the_Light

I don't mean this very assertively, just an idea.

Is it maybe easier for a "Born-in" to get out? We "Born-ins" never made a real choice, this can build the deep sense of resentment and entrapment that can fuel the effort to "GET OUT". Persons who came in intentionally obviously either "believed" or found "something better" than being worldish as they had already experienced. I never so much "valued" being JW, it was always a limiting force on me. Yeah the brainwashing phenomena had its grips in me, but that's more a psychological tick than some state of being that I look back fondly about after its lost.

My money is that family pressures/people around you in your life are the definitive conclusion about "how hard" it is to leave. Emotional blackmail and coercion are the real evils here, people believe and fail to believe stuff about god everyday without an excessive amount of drama. The drama comes from how many claws the cult has in you, not so much when it drove the claws in.

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are men better listeners, or women?

by wings in

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just a question.

i'll withhold my answer for now.

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The Penis is the most useful tool in the world. Women keep thinking they can do man-things, chyah! sometimes I just think to myself "How're going going to to THAT without a PENIS!?!". Women can get by, but without the right tools for the job, its a struggle I'm sure.
Do I look like I'm struggling to do anything penis-related?
P.S. the most useful tool is a monkey wrench and some duct tape.
The batteries are in the nightstand.

Indeed, and this power-tool is carefully designed for the form and function of what piece of anatomy recently of topic? I rest my case.

That isn't the end of it girls, there is no end to the plethora of problems that can be solved and tasks that can be accomplished with the ever-useful Penis. We don't brag about our anatomical superiority in front of you, because we've found some of the best uses can be hampered by pissing off women. Women don't want the Penis thrust in their face everyday (and not nearly enough in my opinion). Just be assured that life is much easier with the equipment, but don't feel bad, the noble Vagina is also held in very high esteem, if for a much more limited set of capabilities.

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Without God - Questions?

by Blueblades in

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without god, what is left of morality?.

without god, what purpose is there in man's life?.

if we do not believe in god, how can we be certain of anything?

Bring_the_Light

I have a simple question. If there is no God who then wrote the bible? Man who does not know how to adhere to the teachings perfectly? Did a man (or women) write the words in the bible from experience to pass on to their offspring? Who would have imagined that everything man did on the earth would cause such havock as predicted in the bible? Who would have thought that many floods, food shortages, earthquakes, pestilence just to name a few would have taken place like it said it would in a book? The bible is a book of prophecy and a mere mortal man could not have written it. Does this not hold true?

It missed that God sent latter-day saints to North America. Who wrote the book of Mormon? surely not a man! Impossible! How would man even know North America is here after all! It missed that God had another prophet named Mohammed. Who wrote the Koran? surely not man! Impossible! How could a man write the Koran? Especially with all the crazy language and right to left orientation of text. Nuts, no man could ever master that! It failed to predict this astonishingly witty yet mocking post! Who wrote this post? surely not a man! how could a man's logic be so stinging?

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Without God - Questions?

by Blueblades in

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without god, what is left of morality?.

without god, what purpose is there in man's life?.

if we do not believe in god, how can we be certain of anything?

Bring_the_Light

Without God, what is left of morality?

Sincerity.

Without God, what purpose is there in man's life?

What purpose is there WITH god, is a better question? Create me, confuse me, punish me, kill me? I don't wanna play.

If we do not believe in God, how can we be certain of anything?

We can't, suck it up.

If God does not exist, whom can we turn to in a time of crises?

I like snuggling against a pair of ample, but not oversized breasts.

If there is no afterlife, who will reward virtue and punish injustice?

The Armed forces of the United States, HOOAH!

If God does not exist, what becomes of the worth and dignity of each person?

People still value people regardless of where people came from.

Without God , how can man achieve happiness?

I like snuggling against a pair of ample, but not oversized breasts.

I know the answers to these type of questions, do you?

I'm an agnostic, I'm not claiming anything.

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HERE COMES THE SON!

by FireNBandits in

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qq-kvw1fyxs.

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saint martin the couch potato

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Significantly more plausible than immaculate impregnation of a pre-birth control teenage girl.

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Let's predict what the WTS will cut next

by unbrainwashed in

it looks like there is a pattern of a major cutback every year or so for the past several years.

from soft cover binding, no more subscriptions, 30 min public talks, members only wt magazine, book study meeting elimination.

maybe i missed some others.

Bring_the_Light

I think the Blood Transfusion BS will eventually be scrapped. Given there isn't ANY biblical basis for it of ANY substance, scrapping the uber-cultish aspects would go a long ways toward getting appreciable numbers of newbies into the fold.

If I was Cult Leader in Chief, I would have made that move concurrent with any of the "oops the world isn't ending in 19XX" notices that Jehovah God himself issues from time to time. Hell Jews couldn't eat pork, now we can, JW's can't eat blood, hell, why wouldn't God increase privaleges over time. NOBODY is in love with the "No Blood Transfusions" bullshit. I seem to remember that was the biggest thing JW's were embarassed to talk about with worldlings.

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Why does an atheist have to disprove anything?

by digderidoo in

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i have noticed alot of debate in posts lately between an atheist argument and a christian one.

it seems to me that the atheist is asked to disprove god's existence.

some times these debates have started to get personal with one side attacking the other with insults and i do not want to start another argument like these.. but i dont get it?

Bring_the_Light

Believer: Look at that! My lawn furniture, grill, and bird feeders were knocked over and damaged during the night. Someone must have trespassed and vandalized my yard!

Atheist: How do you know for sure that a person did this? I don't see any footprints, and your fence gate is still locked.

Believer: Well, just look at this mess! Someone must be responsible for it. There's simply no other explanation.

Atheist: Maybe you slept through it, but there was a bad storm last night with 50 mph flat-line winds. Do you think the storm might have been responsible for the damage?

Believer: No, I just KNOW that a human being is responsible for this. I know in my heart I'm right.

Atheist: Well, better call the police then.

Police officer (after investigating the damage and aware of last night's storm): "Mr. B, sorry for the mess your yard's in, but unless you can provide evidence that will stand up in a court of law, you have no proof that anyone was in your yard last night. The most likely explanation is that the storm caused the damage. The onus of proof is on YOU to provide solid evidence that will convince an impartial jury that a vandal caused all this damage. I've checked out your yard -- there's no evidence that a vandal did this. There's plenty of evidence the storm did this. If you need to call us again, please be sure you can back up your assertions with facts. Otherwise, you're just wasting everyone's time.

Atheist: Sorry, dude. But I did warn you.

Believer: I don't care what you or the police say. I do believe in vandals, I do, I do, I DO believe in vandals.

Atheist: Sigh.

Yeah, I'll concede further, Athiests are a step up the food chain from theists. I still assert that no-holds-barred unyielding Agnosticism is the place to be. We're the only in the bunch who can be sure we aren't wrong.

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Why does an atheist have to disprove anything?

by digderidoo in

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i have noticed alot of debate in posts lately between an atheist argument and a christian one.

it seems to me that the atheist is asked to disprove god's existence.

some times these debates have started to get personal with one side attacking the other with insults and i do not want to start another argument like these.. but i dont get it?

Bring_the_Light

I do fully appreciate the "flying spaghetti monster" analogy, though, no I don't think any Athiest is obliged to "prove" that Zeus is not the man in charge. That isn't the end of the story, though. You can be right and not win the debate. I still don't have a positive answer/explanation out of you, so no smug certainty is allowed.

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Why does an atheist have to disprove anything?

by digderidoo in

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friends

i have noticed alot of debate in posts lately between an atheist argument and a christian one.

it seems to me that the atheist is asked to disprove god's existence.

some times these debates have started to get personal with one side attacking the other with insults and i do not want to start another argument like these.. but i dont get it?

Bring_the_Light

I have noticed alot of debate in posts lately between an atheist argument and a christian one. It seems to me that the atheist is asked to disprove God's existence. Some times these debates have started to get personal with one side attacking the other with insults and i do not want to start another argument like these.
But i dont get it? Why should atheists have to defend themselves for believing God doesn't exist? As there is no hard evidence for an existence in God, surely it should be the Christian who would have to defend his stance.
Paul

The real question is "What is the meaning/origin/purpose/fate of life"? People who would argue with an athiest are basically saying that just because you don't think the answer is "there is a humanoid supernatural person who did all this and is watching us now", that does not mean an Athiest can dodge the "well what is the answer then? retort.

For many people, like myself, whatever the answer is, is "god". There is some story, some chain of events, some truth that really happened to cause me to be here now. Whatever that truth is is "creation" whatever "originated" the happening is "god", that doesn't mean I disagree with Athiests about anything. Athiests get the same treatment as the religious from me. I don't know, and you don't either, so wipe that air of certainty off your face, roll up your sleeves and really work on the question like I do. No hand waving allowed.

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A year ago today

by wings in

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i posted for the first time on jwd.. thank you for putting up with me, and for being there for me.. what a difference a year makes........... i love you all!!!!

!.

Bring_the_Light

The beauty of the internet is its pure thought. No social norms, no physical judgements, no awkward unease. Just human brains, shouting their thoughts out into the ether to be heard by other human brains. I've posted on a politicalish site for many years. At first it wasn't much other than shouting my views for myself, then you start to really hear and meet people. Then you wonder if its "wierd" that "internet people" have become some of your better friends, then you realize that this medium is in many, many ways BETTER than the kinds of friends you can maintain the the oxygen filled world. There are so few circumstances where you can get in a room with other people and really chew the fat. Even when you do get the chance, it doesn't get as detailed or nuanced as you can get when posting in prose like this.

I'm brand new here. I'm getting so much out of this so far that I'm regretting that I spent years screaming at Europeans about the liberation of Iraq, when the real reason why I've become such a Patriot and freedom freak is from my JW experience. I know what freedom means. I owe my students4democracy.org buddies an essay on the nexus between my struggling out of the JW world and my almost-unbalanced views about freedom, and how important it is.

It is a pleasure to just barely know you all, including our birthday girl here. May we share many birthdays, Christmases and Bar-mitvehs (sp?) together as we proudly carry the flag of mental and emotional freedom (erm, any freedom related battle I can win will be a nice change of pace from Iraq)

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