Posts by Finkelstein

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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?

by AlainAlam in

do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..

Finkelstein

Here are some of the unquestionable consequences of what happens to people who did join the JW religion .....

Personal financial ruin, oppressed intellectual growth, preventable death, individual disrepair, anxiety, depression, suicide, broken family relationships, missed secular work opportunities, missed personal relationships with the opposite sex/marriages.

When select men proclaim they have being directed by god's holy spirit therefor everything they say or instruct comes through him in all power and righteousness ........ shit inevitably happens to people .

Those select men really are into a state of self glorification and empowerment, appealing to themselves, their personal identity and stature.

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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?

by AlainAlam in

do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..

Finkelstein

There is plenty of evidence the past presidents or GB leaders of the WTS/JWS had bad intent, not so much with C T Russell, he just adopted some crazy evangelical theologies from other people and thought they would be worthy to help sell literature that he was going to publish.

He wasn't on a high rolling people controlling power trip like the men who followed after in control over the WTS publishing house. ( J Rutherford )

The WTS eventually expanded and grew so did the individual power and control over people's lives by the top leaders who slowly developed a greater sense of involving self empowerment, telling people not to get married and have children, telling them to forego any vaccination, organ transplant or blood transfusion and many people died because of that.

That righteous perceived power came from god's holy spirit that was being poured out to those men because they claimed that god had selectively chosen them.

The bad intent of those men can now be identified in their own endeavor of self empowerment via god's power.

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Frederick Franz enjoyed wining and dining in Japan

by yoko N in

a japanese sister living in kansai was asked by japan's branch office to take f. franz and his cronies to wining and dining.. her daughter left borg and are now publishing her experiences.. .

Finkelstein

That's not surprising to see a top tier JWS member getting treated very well.

I saw the local CO get treated with the best restaurants in the city, driven around in the most luxurious cars in my time as a JWS.

The GB men today when they travel around the world with their wives get treated in the same way in that they are seen as glorified celebrities of the organization .

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What do JW's believe about the Anti Christ? Been out for 20 years, don't remember lol...

by bobfish in

i was watching a video saying with tongue in cheek saying that trump was the antichrist listing all the scriptures and prophecies... was kind of funny but it made me wonder what the heck do jw's believe?

was it that it's other religions or some such garbage?

i don't seem to recall it being a specific person but honestly i don't recall at all.

Finkelstein

The theological duality of there being an evil dark god and there being a good light giving god goes far back before the ancient Hebrews or Canaanites, it actually existed thousands of years before with the ancient Egyptian theological beliefs and practices .

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What do you think of the ransom as proof of Jehovah's love?

by AlainAlam in

consider these excerpts from the bible and the publications:.

“no one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends” (joh 15:13).

“for hardly would anyone die for a righteous man; though perhaps for a good man someone may dare to die.

Finkelstein

You know some knowingly lying corrupt men who propagated false doctrines to promote and sell their published literature might very well behind having a personal savior for their own inherent sins.

Can you think of any men or people like that ?

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What do you think of the ransom as proof of Jehovah's love?

by AlainAlam in

consider these excerpts from the bible and the publications:.

“no one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends” (joh 15:13).

“for hardly would anyone die for a righteous man; though perhaps for a good man someone may dare to die.

Finkelstein

A sacrificial escape goat provided for all humanity

.......naaa never happened just some more ancient (fictional) mythology

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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?

by AlainAlam in

do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..

Finkelstein

I think what AlainA is trying to assert on this thread is that the GB men or past presidents of the WTS were just misinformed good willed and well intended people.

When you look at the activity of these men you see power seeking opportunist men who were willing to publicly pose themselves as selectively god's chosen ones who were being directed by god's holy spirit to preach a truthful and accurate preaching of Jesus's new kingdom order.

They weren't they were just commercialized false prophets preaching a false gospel not in line at all with Jesus's own instructions.

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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?

by AlainAlam in

do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..

Finkelstein

Bad as fear mongering corrupt religoius charlatans who created their own subsequent power by this means.

Thousands of people died because of these men, their self built cult also instigated the suicides of many as well.

Their cult ruined and broke apart millions of families by now, particularly when it introduced disfellowshipping. (1960's)

In short their bad intent came from their constant endeavor self empowerment which nourished a consequential delusion of power, the receiving money was another part of that corruption.

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June 2020 Study Watchtower - One or two little gems! :(

by The Fall Guy in

study watchtower, june 2020, box on page 22 - "note the comment made by an inactive one in spain: “i want to be reactivated, but it is very difficult.

but it is not easy.

i have to change my lifestyle and cut ties with some worldly friends.".

Finkelstein

When one says they have to cut ties with some worldly people identifying non-JWs as worldly, they never really left the brainwashing indoctrination of the Watchtower Corporation.

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WT, and more contact, Do you think it is Narc Hoovering?

by Wakanda in

the behavior from the org lately had me a bit confused, as it seemed to fall outside of their norm.

i'm not talking the hardcore armageddon wishers texting each other about peace and security, etc.

* but, the elders contacting people daily, and having extra meetings where they have all their additional rules.

Finkelstein

The powerful slave masters like to keep aware of what their slaves are doing.