Posts by jefferywhat

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Where do atheists' morals come from?

by dorayakii in

many theists believe that atheists have no morality at all.

they argue that because atheists dont believe in the laws, limitations and boundaries that god has set up for us, there's nothing stopping them from becoming violent, lying thieving sociopaths.

there have been many stories of people who have "found god" and changed their life, giving up drugs, repenting for past crimes.

Ghost caught on CCTV?

by Sirona in

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb9_1210435814.

bottom right corner.... this is not one of those vids where something jumps out.. sirona.

jefferywhat

so what was she doing there/

All good ghost stories need a "story"!

She just pops out"a that guys arse then walks away.....oooohhhhhoooohhhh.....

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2 year old dies because his JW father refuses to allow a blood transfusion

by Honesty in

another sacrifice to the watchtower's blood altar, and this one didn't choose to die, he had the decision made for him.

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http://www.myjoyonline.com/news/200805/16060.asp.

Oh hear we go again....the chimps are jumping around in their cages again!!

The report said "Post mortem report on the deceased stated the cause of death among others as “severe anaemia”.

"Among others"......now I wonder what that could mean!!

Seriously this is so old hat. I feel for the kid, but what was the cause of death? IT WAS NOT REFUSAL OF BLOOD!!!

This is such a tired attack formation.

The heading "2 year old dies because his JW father refuses to allow a blood transfusion" is a lie or ignorant at best.

If you havent done a medical degree, shut up, if you dont know the casue of death, shut up.......wow.......silence.

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

patience young jedi......

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More "new light"? Has anyone got the July 15th WT yet?

by slimboyfat in

i hear there is more "new light" in this magazine.

nothing as big as the "generation" change or scrapping 1935 for the annointed.

it might be something to do with some of jesus' parables.

jefferywhat

I do, but why do you want a hard one?

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More "new light"? Has anyone got the July 15th WT yet?

by slimboyfat in

i hear there is more "new light" in this magazine.

nothing as big as the "generation" change or scrapping 1935 for the annointed.

it might be something to do with some of jesus' parables.

jefferywhat

I touched on this some time back.
One of the changes is re the dragnet.

The WT 92 says What was to happen to the separated fine fish? Verse 48 says that the angelic fishermen-separators "collected the fine [fish] into vessels, but the unsuitable they threw away." The vessels are protective containers into which fine fish are put. Has this occurred in our time? Definitely. As symbolic fine fish have been caught alive, they have been gathered into congregations of true Christians. These vessellike congregations have helped to protect and to reserve them for divine service, do you not agree? Still, someone could think, ‘This is all well and good, but what does it have to do with my present life and my future?’

then goes on:
You likely know that after 1919 the anointed remnant got busy in the preaching work in cooperation with the angels, who continued to use the symbolic dragnet to haul fish onto the beach, to separate the fine ones from the unsuitable ones. Statistics from that period show that the catch of fine fish for anointing with God’s spirit continued as the last ones of the 144,000 were gathered by the symbolic net. (Revelation 7:1-4) But by the mid-1930’s, the collecting of fine fish for anointing with holy spirit basically ended. Was the congregation of the anointed remnant then to discard the net, as it were, and simply sit idle, waiting for their heavenly reward? Not at all!
But the change is regarding the following :
Recall from the illustration that not all fish drawn up by the dragnet experience a favorable outcome. Jesus said that the unsuitable, or wicked, ones will be separated from the righteous ones. To what end? At Matthew 13:50, Jesus described the serious consequence for the unsuitable, or wicked, fish. These will be cast into the fiery furnace, meaning eternal destruction.—Revelation 21:8.

The change is that jut becasue you have been brought into the congregation of anointed chrisitians does not mean you are a "fine fish"

This could be a precurser to the changes in preaching, where it could take on a more internal focus.

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

I kid you not.!!

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It is becoming a cult.

by Lex Talionis in

i am a jehovahs witness.

my family are all witnesses.

i am convinced it is not the religion it once was.

jefferywhat

Whats your plan?

Interesting name by the way....latin for.....

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

This is an old thread but where I stated that there will be changes made that are so big old timers wont deal with it.

Book study is gone, we know that now.

Next comes theocratic structure PO, Co etc.

Then comes the change in witnessing ( big one!!)

Then come the change in name, bigger again.

And more........

Told you didnt I!! :-)

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3 a.m. - my wife is in tears! What do I do?

by The Scotsman in

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well my situation has developed a bit, any advice appreciated.. their has been a gradual building up of pressure ever since i stood down as an elder about 6 months ago.. i have been telling my wife about my doubts but have continued to attend "some" meetings.. as time has progressed i have become more open with my criticism of the org.. i mentioned the un scandal, molestation trials, false prophecy ect etc.. interestingly she does not deny these facts and yet still wants to continue as a jw.. i told her that god is not happy with people knowingly being part of a false prophet (deut 18 - etc) - starting to lay the groundwork for my exit.. she appreciates the difficult situation doubters are in - they cannot openly express their feelings for fear of jcs.. anyway, a few weeks ago we moved house which meant changing congregation.. but i felt it would be best if i did not attend meetings " at all" at the new cong so my fade could be easier.. but i could not have predicted my wifes response - when i told her it was an explosion of emotion, i mean real heartbreaker stuff.. she seems depressed at the prospect, perhaps the reality is finally hitting home.. last night, about 3a.m.

i noticed that she was not in bed.

i went downstairs and she was sobbing away to herself.. "i can't go to that hall myself!

jefferywhat

Mate, thats heavy.

I think you will find that alot of the emotion is based on the "hope" you once both shared.

You not believing in the org anymore also includes the hope asserted by the org which is living forever on earth.

Whist the reality is the org is flawed, we are taught its meant to be and that it doesnt change the hope and Jehovahs approval.

She is grieving now.