Posts by marmot

Jaguarbass, if you want a good website then check out http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs.html

There is a wealth of material on there, all annotated with proper sources for further reading.

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DO JWS BELIEVE IN HYPER-EVOLUTION?

by badboy in

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for there to be such variety of animals,wouldn't their have to be hyper-evolution?.

some animals in the same species have different numbers of chromosomes.. it is reckone that only 6 genetic changes(nucleotide?

) can happen in a generation, otherwise genetic instability would occur..

marmot

Satanus, here's some good information regarding what you brought up:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section2.html#morphological_vestiges

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DO JWS BELIEVE IN HYPER-EVOLUTION?

by badboy in

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for there to be such variety of animals,wouldn't their have to be hyper-evolution?.

some animals in the same species have different numbers of chromosomes.. it is reckone that only 6 genetic changes(nucleotide?

) can happen in a generation, otherwise genetic instability would occur..

Yes, but they won't admit it.

Noah supposedly took only "kinds" onto the ark. These "kinds" were supposedly proto-species that multiplied and diversified into the species we have today.

And marsupials were invented by Satan to confuse you.

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This WT article makes me mad.... this is evil

by dawg in

it's bad enought that young people in the wt have to sell magizines, risk shunning when they find out the truth about the gb... but this article really makes me laugh and angry at the same time.

the part that made me the maddest was when the father said he "conquered" the habit, lying bastard!

http://www.watchtower.org/e/200611a/article_01.htm.

marmot

Although I don't believe in the Bible, I find the Watchtower's interpretation of scripture to justify their stance on masturbation to be tenuous and offensive.

I simply cannot believe that an activity so universal was never directly mentioned A SINGLE TIME in the entire Bible, much less condemned as unclean. The mosaic law only mentions men being "unclean" until the evening if they had a seminal emission, which could also be the result of regular sexual intercourse or a wet dream. I'm imagining that the camp of the Israelites must have pretty devoid of teenage boys during daylight hours. However, this fails to address the issue of female masturbation, or pre-puberty masturbation where there is no ejaculate.

As for them tying it to the apostle Paul's words on "unclean habits", why would he have suddenly stepped up to the plate to condemn something that had never been directly condemned in the Bible? It doesn't help that the wording is so vague he could have been talking about picking your nose.

The Watchtower's ban on masturbation is not so much a question of pleasing God but rather leftovers of Victorian-era attitudes towards sexuality, coupled with a desire for complete control over their adherents. It is shameful that this policy leads to so much guilt and depression among young people who are misled into believing that they are displeasing God by simply doing something that comes naturally as part of sexual development.

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Questions From Readers: Hunting/Fishing

by inkling in

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i guess this means you can maim and kill animals all you want, just so long as you don't enjoy it too much.. sorta like being a isrealite warrior who makes a living killing people but yet is commanded to "hate violence".

[inkling].

marmot

"The apostles didn't brag about their catch"

CORRECTION: The BIBLE doesn't mention the apostles bragging about their catch. The Bible doesn't mention Jesus pooping, either. Does this mean Jesus never took a dump?

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Questions From Readers: Hunting/Fishing

by inkling in

.

i guess this means you can maim and kill animals all you want, just so long as you don't enjoy it too much.. sorta like being a isrealite warrior who makes a living killing people but yet is commanded to "hate violence".

[inkling].

marmot

Steve2, your uncle hunts wild boars with a .22? That's borderline sadistic unless you can get a brain stem shot. It'd be like trying to kill someone with a one-inch dull knife.

I'm sure you're mistaken.

As for myself, I accompany my cousins and my other friends hunting but I'm too lazy to do all the hiking through the bush so I just stay at the cabin and cook chili while making sure the beer gets consumed. I love target shooting and archery, though. Maybe when I get myself into shape I'll go along into the mountains and try my hand at taking a moose of my own.

Mention hunting at my previous congregation, though, and you were sure to be marked as bad association. They were a very liberal bunch (which is ironically very far removed from the actual meaning of the term). Fishing wasn't too bad but there weren't many others who liked it as much as I do.

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Crap... Elders coming over tonight for a pep talk

by still_in74 in

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well its finally here........ the day i get the pep talk.. considering i havent been out in service for 6 months and i never comment because i cant parrot the wt, and i havent been to the book study in 2 months cause the revelation book makes me nausious........ (that why no more revelation weekly reviews --- sorry oompa!

yet when i talk with bro's and sis's i seem to be the one in the know, i am the one that knows what is going on in the org and am up on the "new light".

i am "so smart".

marmot

I found they really back off when they find out you're suffering from depression.

This of course only works if you're suffering from depression.

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Pseudo-Atheist Shows that Watchtower is Hard to Shake Off (Long Post)

by Carl_Hernz in

after having read and responded to a person on this board who declares themselves to a. dhere to an atheist ideology, i came away feeling that ive been discussing matters with .

a theistic dogmatist.

it was quiet unusual because their attitude towards others was .

marmot

I think I know why the person you were debating with got cranky. I don't mean this as a personal attack, but your writing style is soporific.

Grand rambling declarations peppered with subordinate clauses that delight in hearing their own words.

Take this one, for example:

"This differs from traditions, meaning customs developed by people that are not part of Revelation, and customs found within different ways of worship, but it is similar and often synonymous with Tradition as used by faiths like Orthodoxy and Catholicism, while encompassing even those liturgical acts of Protestantism that are also part of Revelation but may be described in different terms depending on the theology of the denomination."

Hear that thudding sound? That's the sound of people losing consciousness and hitting the floor.

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are we inactive or what?

by inactive? in

i would like someone to discuss some issues i have.

i understand all are welcome here, so i am sure some elders or former elders could help me.

i was a pioneer for 7 years, before that i was a regular auxiliarry pioneer for 3 years, i have been a witness for 17 years.

marmot

Sweetstuff, yeah that comment seemed a little off to me as well.

I've been fading for a good 5 months and I still have a mental hang-up over referring to the witnesses as "dubs" or "JWs" or other apostate-ese terminology.

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt but something smells fishy.