Posts by freeman

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My Secret Email Campaign -or- "Dozens Now Living will Now Know"

by joe_from_kokomo in

well, after our baptismal nullification letter, most of the witnesses snub us when we bump into them.

saw a snooty sister from my own book study, and she pretended i was the invisible man.. so, i decided to do a "maverick" and have launched a top secret email campaign to help raise the news iq of my former witness friends and family.. i have created a dummy email account at a major portal and i am bccing all my old witness friends and relatives (mostly relatives) hyperlinks to the juicy news articles on jws and the un, jws and child abuse, etc.

i put a simple subject line and a simple one line "read this article" followed by a hyperlink to the newspaper article.. it has been very effective.

freeman

Please forgive me Joe for having some bad thoughts about you just a moment ago. At first when I read your posting I thought perhaps you were doing this mailing campaign perhaps to undermine someone’s faith, but now I see your true motivation, you are just trying to help the brothers who go out in service. Yes I see it all quite clearly now, you are just simply keeping the brothers up to date on various subjects they may be asked about in field service. What a great idea, I’m sure Jehovah will bless all your efforts, keep up the good work!

Sincerely your brother in the faith <vomit>

Freeman

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And You JW Wives Thought the Organization Was Too Repressive....Read This !

by xjw_b12 in

we have all read many posts here as to how women felt they had to be submissive in the organization.

how would you like to be a member of first christian fellowship for eternal sovereignty?

ravenna, ohio - a woman pulled over for breast-feeding her baby while driving on the ohio turnpike was shown on videotape at her trial wednesday refusing to cooperate with troopers until she called her husband for permission.. catherine nicole donkers, 29, also would not stand or speak as she defended herself in portage county municipal court until her husband gave her permission from the first row of the audience.. the first day ended with donkers finishing her questioning of the trooper.

freeman

"I directed her to do everything she did that day ... Under our faith, she obeys me."

WOW! At long last I think I have found the one true religion! At last a ~~cult~~ faith that not only makes perfect ~~non~~sense but also restores the natural order of things!

Now I just have to get my wife to convert over, please wish me luck.

Freeman (of the deciding on which color burka to buy his wife class)

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Ghosts and Hades: Another Watchtower Deception

by metatron in

what did the jews in jesus' day think about the soul and hades?.

if you read the watchtower, you might think that they dutifully followed jw teaching.

and had no idea about immortal souls or ghosts or punishment in hades.. .

freeman

Metatron,

I just loved what you said here:

It's just that simple.
You never learn about this historical background of belief in the narrow
little world of the Watchtower.

You are so right, and this is no accident, there is a sinister reason the Tower of darkness never fully informs their followers.

JWs are led to believe by the Tower that they are practically scholars and unfortunately for the most part they believe it. Of course the narrow JW point of view never takes into account the all-essential background which makes all the difference in the world in correctly understanding what is being said.

Take for example the preaching work. There are two forms of ministries, public and private. The meaning of the public and private forms of ministry as described by the apostle Paul is deliberately twisted by the Tower 180 degrees. Paul said “ I did not hold back from teaching you publicly, and from house to house (NWT) or more correctly, “in your homes” in just about any other translation. Now without knowing the all important customs and background of the people being spoken to, it is easy for the Dark Tower to twist these words to mean you must knock on stranger’s doors. This is total BULLSHIT!

That is NOT what Paul was talking about here. They had no doorknockers back then! You did not just knock uninvited on the doors of strangers in the Middle East back then, even now doing so would be considered highly disrespectful. The public ministry was in fact facilitated in the synagogues or other public places. The housework Paul is referring to here was in the private homes of believers and absolutely not in the homes of strangers and unbelievers.

Did you know that this meeting in private homes was considered a form of worship? As a JW did you know this? Also they often shared a meal that was part of their worship. Did you know that? If one was removed form the association of these Christians for serious wrongdoing, such former members were now banned from this form of worship, “not even sharing a meal with such a one”. Also you would not greet a former unrepentant member with the “holy kiss”, “not even saying a greeting”.

Yes you could still do business with such a one, still have normal human relationships with such a one, but you had to treat him now as if he were a non-believer, like a “man of the nations” and not as a brother. You could eat with him, have dinner with him however he is banned from the worship meals.

How different things are when one knows the historical perspective and the customs and beliefs of the people being referred to.

Thank you Metatron, I really enjoyed your post.

Freeman

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Are JW's getting lazy?

by jwbot in

jw
friends

so, my s/o found a watchtower stuffed in our door, you know, the usual nobody-is-home-gotta-get-rid-of-these-things type deal.

we didn't even hear the knocking on the door.

(oh the joys of sleeping in on a saturday morning-no field service!).

freeman

Jwbot I think some are getting lazy, but some are still going full bore like my wife.

My wife had her circus dis-assembly last week, and by the time Sunday rolled around she was dragon-ass big time. She really did not want to go another day, she even said so. Yet somehow she forced herself to go once again. After she left that Sunday morning, I picked up her still warm half full cup of coffee and began feeling quite sad for her. After a time that feeling passed as I sipped what was now my own coffee and opened the morning paper. As I was skimming the paper I thought about just how harried and unnatural the JW lifestyle is. And in contrast I thought about just how wonderful it was to sleep-in, to read the paper, or do anything I pleased because after all it’s now my time, and it’s now my life. I don't live to please a book publishing empire anymore!

How sad that JWs the world over know not these simple pleasures of life, pleasures everyone on this board knows all to well. I only wish my poor wife could share this simple pleasure with me. Maybe one day she will wake up as did I, but until then I guess I’ll be finishing her half full cup of coffee and reading the paper alone.

Freeman

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Eight Days Vacation per Year

by Satanus in

jw
friends

how much vacation do you get per yr?

according to this article, hard working americans get 8 days off.vacations are being downsized by the same forces that brought us soaring work weeks: labor cutbacks, a sense of false urgency created by tech tools, fear and, most of all, guilt.

managers use the climate of job insecurity to stall, cancel and abbreviate paid leave, while piling on guilt.

freeman

When I worked for myself I don’t think I ever took a day off, except of course for the all important disassemblies. Now I get 15 personal days to use as I see fit, 10 holidays to participate in pagan and nationalistic festivals, and a bunch of unofficial freebie hours to take care of various personal business. But you know... if I had an appreciation for the bountiful food Jehovah provides, I could be ~~wasting~~ investing this time off I have in a ~~hot-smelly~~ cool-refreshing assembly, with all my brothers and sisters who ~~conditionally~~ truly love me.

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Watchtower Answers: "Will Sodom and Gomorrah Be Resurrected?"

by Yizuman in

the following answers are from the watchtower.... .

*** watchtower 1879 july 1 page8 ***.

(men of sodom and gomorrah will be resurrected).

freeman

To think that I too was once part of the WT insanity... Well no I really wasn’t, but then again I guess I was, but no not really, oh yes I was ... OH GOD!!!

Freeman

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What is the best thing and worst thing about being a JW?

by micheal in

i would say the best thing is when one has just started studying and coming to meetings for the first time they are treated like gold.

but things really start to detiroriate quickly from there.

the worst thing is the control.

freeman

I’d say the best thing about being a JW was the Hoagie subs at the conventions and the worst thing about being a JW was everything else. And now that they don’t serve hoagies anymore, well, is there really any reason for anyone to be a JW?

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Clinton on WMD flap: 'Everybody makes mistakes'

by Yizuman in

bill clinton on bush uranium line: 'everybody makes mistakes' former president accepts explanation on state of the union

wednesday, july 23, 2003 posted: 1:31 pm edt (1731 gmt).

washington (cnn) -- the white house, attacked by critics for a now-retracted line about iraq seeking uranium from africa in president bush's state of the union address, has gotten some surprising support from former president clinton.. "i thought the white house did the right thing in just saying 'we probably shouldn't have said that,' " clinton told cnn's larry king in a phone interview tuesday evening.

freeman

I’m not sure who really is smarter, Bill Clinton or George Bush. Really, it’s a tough call. They are both just so absolutely brilliant, each in their own way, each getting what they want and each having the ability to screw people left and right without them ever knowing it. On the one hand you have the most highly educated president in our nations history that has convinced his enemies that he just somehow bumbled his way into the position he is in, that he is not at all politically savvy, and that he has no ability to strategize. Yet somehow this self-made millionaire, Yale graduate, Harvard MBA; oh excuse me, I meant to say idiot with an odd speech impediment. Somehow this jerk is able to push through just about every one of his most wanted initiatives ostensibly without the ability of his political opponents to stop him. Just dumb luck I guess, NOT!

Then we have a former president that makes what appears to be a most magnanimous gesture to a fellow member of the presidents club, yet hardly anyone notices that he just diverted attention from the fact that he is guilty of exactly the same supposed offences of the poor soul he just rescued, even more so. But wait, it gets better. Not only does he head off any possible examination of his own record on WMDs, and in particular the nuke issue, but also he now has effectively taken away the only issue the democrats were making any headway with.

Now why did he do that??? We were beating Bush up pretty good with this; his poll numbers were dropping and everything, so lament the democrats. Is not this former president also a democrat? The answer is yes and no. Yes he is a democrat, but that is not what he is about. He is the center of his universe, and his party is secondary to who he is, it always has been that way, and I suspect it always will be. What people fail to appreciate about Clinton is that it’s all about Bill. There is nothing more important to Mr. Clinton then the reacquisition of his presidency and his former residency at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, even if it means that he obtains it by using his wife as a surrogate. Even if it means making sure that only weak democrats run against Bush. Even if it means sandbagging the fund raising efforts of some of these people, as he has done. Mr. Clinton has worked behind the scenes and he has shaped the playing field of democratic hopefuls just as he wants it. If it means helping Bush as his poll numbers start to slide, he will do it, in fact he just did. He is setting things up for his wife’s presidency even at the expense of his party losing the next election, but so few can see this. In fact you can’t see it at all if you don’t understand Bill, a genuinely brilliant man.

Freeman

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The WTS Finally Gave Jesus Some Color

by Funchback in

my wife brought home the "learn from the great teacher" thingy and i observed some things about the cover.. 1) jesus and the children on the cover have tan skin.

'bout time!.

2) for a 31 year old and a perfect man, jesus has some serious "crows feet" going on.

freeman

Yes Jesus seems to look a little better these days. I recall that at one time he was not even allowed to have a beard (then they got new light). I think they are almost there; now they just need to get over their vampire-like reaction to a cross and we could have one fine looking dead JC. We await the next new light with baited breath.

Freeman

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It wasn't just one lie about Iraq's WMD...it was 36 lies.

by reporter in

freeman

You know Yeru, these people are like the Borg, they hope that most people will just be lazy and not research what they have said in the past on a given issue. And just like the Borg, their own words come back to bite them in the ass, they are their own worst enemy. Chances are they will never be challenged on this. Most likely the mainstream press will never call these guys on this due to the fact that they seem to connect with each other ideologically. In that sense the mainstream press and the left-leaning folks seem share a common ground. BTW, that’s not a criticism, just an observation.

I do have a fear however, and that is that this so-called idiot Bush is letting these guys politically hang themselves (once again) and then like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat, the WMDs will make a sudden appearance at a most inopportune time, like maybe just before the election cycle. Would that dumb-as-a-stump Harvard MBA Bush really do that? I just don’t know.

My fear is that with all these democrats jumping on the bash Bush because we were deceived bandwagon, I’m afraid the shock and awe of such a disclosure proving Bush once again correct could mortality wound the Democratic party. As much as it would be fun to see this from an entertainment perspective, I really don’t want to see that happen. I think we are much better off with a balance of ~~terror~~, I mean power, each party keeping an eye on the other. You can’t get that balance when just one party dominates. Just my thoughts.

PS : Jonnadandy, I quoted democrats because all these people are now questioning the honesty of Bush about WMDs when they themselves said many of the same things Bush said. I am just pointing out their hypocrisy. How easily they forget, (and hope that you forget) all that they said. Remember every one of them were convinced of these things and publicly stated such. I just call a spade a spade and this time they just happen to be democrats. To paraphrase Forrest Gump, phony is as phony does.

Freeman